Non-revisited, non-PC Civil War history?

Ordo,

Like just about everything else.

Some truths, some half-truths, some shaky interpretations, and some outright bull.

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
A lot of contemporary Southern people realize that the Recent Unpleasantness has been over for a long time yet still call people who talk funny "Yankees".

Mike, Y'all must have talked funny, hear?

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You have to be there when it's all over. Otherwise you can't say "I told you so."

Better days to be,

Ed
 
Mike, if you get upset about being called a Yankee try Decaf or something.

As for your trip I dont know what to say, I take the back roads to and from Myrtle Beach every year and have never been treated badly by any southerner.

Ordo, that quote from the Honorable General Lee was after the US stole his plantation and turned it into a Federal Cemetary(Arlington) Yeah, I bet he did feel he was robbed!

As for Flags and such, I feel it's only right and fitting to remember "fallen friends" regardless of what AMERICAN flag they served under!

Proud Buckeye(Yankee)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gonzo_308:
As for Flags and such, I feel it's only right and fitting to remember "fallen friends" regardless of what AMERICAN flag they served under!

Proud Buckeye(Yankee)
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Well said,Gonzo.
 
I'm from northwest Ind.,and spend time in Tenn. during my tech.school days.Dammyankee was what my FRIENDS called me.i still go back when i can
 
Ordo,

Last night something struck me about the article on the link you published.

The author makes reference that the articles of Confederation had a clause that seemingly allowed the states to withdraw from the group, but that the Constitution did not.

Without actually saying it, I believe he infers that this was done by the NORTHERN delegates, perhaps as some method of controlling the Southern states economically and politically.

Hum..... Hum..... Hum.....

Well, let's take a look at one of the biggest advocates of a strong Federal Government in the Constitutional Convention, a man who is generally credited for influencing much of what was written, if not the outright drafting of many portions of it, a man who, interestingly enough, was a Virginia. James Madison.

There were numerous other advocates of a strong Federal government, or at least one that was stronger than provided for in the Articles of Confederation. Not all of them were Northerners by ANY stretch of the imagination.

Washington also supported a Federal goverment that was stronger than that provided for in the AoC. Thomas Jefferson, on the other hand (who was minister to France, and thus out of the picture at this time) wanted to maintain something of the type of central gov't created by the AoC.

Madison was a firm believer that in order for the United States to grow and prosper as a nation, the Federal government had to have powers much greater than those it had under the Articles.

While I don't think there is absolute documentary evidence for this, I believe it is very likely that it was Madison himself who oversaw removal of the clause.

Interesting to think about...

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Chances are he knows how to use it.

[This message has been edited by Mike Irwin (edited September 23, 2000).]
 
Good thread, although somewhat out of hand in areas...

I'm originally from Mississippi, grew up in Texas and have since seen the world (literally). And there is no better place on God's green earth than the American South...no place.

My opinion.... :)
 
Mike, I was gonna email this to you, but I thought everyone would enjoy it. My apologies for the formatting. I tried.

Subject: Southern ...


Southerners have a genius for psychological alchemy.. If something intolerable simply cannot be changed, driven away or shot, they will not only tolerate it but take pride in it as well.
Florence King

Southerners can never resist a losing cause.
Margaret Mitchell

The Southerner always tended to believe with his blood rather than his intellect.
Marshall Frady

I don't think of myself as a Negro. I'm a Southerner. I just like the Southern way of life.
Julian Bond

I love everything about the South; I even love hate.
Brother Dave Gardner

O magnet-South! O glistening perfumed South! my South! O quick mettle, rich blood, impulse and love! Good and evil! O all dear to me!
Walt Whitman

I like the South because of the people. They are loyal. Once they love a team, they're fans forever.
Dominique Wilkins

Because I was born in the South, I'm a Southerner. If I had been born in the
North, the West or the Central Plains, I would be just a human being.
Clyde Edgerton

Everyone from the South knows who Jefferson Davis was, and this is one thing that distinguishes the South from other parts of the country.
William F. Buckley

The only place in the world that nothing has to be explained to me is the South.
Woodrow Wilson

The South may not always be right, but by God it's never wrong!
Brother Dave Gardner

I suggest that the true Southland is that territory within which, when asked by an outsider whether he is a Southerner, the reply almost invariably is "Hell yes!" This "Hell yes" line has the advantage of eliminating the ambivalent wishy-washy fringes, and leaving the unquestionably defiant, hard-core Southland.
Hamilton C. Horton, Jr.


Southerners make such good novelists; they have so many good stories because they have so much family.
Gore Vidal

I'm Southern and I know neurotic behavior.
Faye Dunaway

Southern barbeque is the closet thing we have in the U.S. to Europe's wines and cheeses; drive a hundred miles and the barbeque changes.
John Shelton Reed

My mother's people, the people who captured my imagination when I was growing up, were of the Deep South - emotional, changeable, touched with charisma and given to histrionic flourishes. They were courageous under tension and unexpectedly tough beneath their wild eccentricities, for they had and
unusually close working agreement with God.
Willie Morris

Anyone with a lick of sense knows that you can't make good barbeque and comply with the health code.
John Edgerton

The summer picnic gave the ladies a chance to show off their baking hands. On the barbeque pit, chickens and spareribs sputtered in their own fat and a sauce whose Recipe was guarded in the family like a scandalous affair.
Maya Angelou

Next to fried food, the South has suffered most from oratory.
Walter Hines Page

When the taste changes with every bite and the last bite tastes as good as the first, it's Cajun.
Paul Prudhomme

True grits, more grits, fish, grits, and collards.
Life is good where grits are swallered.
Roy Blount, Jr.

Memphis Martini: Gin with a wad of cotton in it.
Fred Allen

What you need for breakfast, they say in East Tennessee, is a jug of good corn liquor, a thick steak and a hound dog. Then you feed the steak to the dog.
Charles Kuralt

The tragedy of the redneck is that he chose the wrong enemy.
Will D. Campbell

Yes, charisma is the middle name of scads of Southern cads.
Rosemary Daniel

Southern women see no contradiction in mixing strength with gentleness.
Sharon McKern

The friend asked why the Rebel Army had continued to fight when defeat was certain. They were simply afraid to go home and face their women.
Gordon Cotton

I've always said that next to Imperial China, the South is the best place in the world to be an old lady.
Florence King

The remark has been made that in the Civil War the North reaped the victory
and the South the glory.
Richard Weaver

The young bloods of the South; sons of planters, lawyers about towns, good
billiard players and sportsmen, men who never did any work and never will. War suits them. They are splendid riders, first-rate shots and utterly reckless. These men must all be killed or employed by us before we can hope for peace.
General W. T. Sherman

When the smoke and fire was over, the Negroes had nothing gained, the whites had nothing left, while the jackals have all the booty.
R.H. Cain

In the South the war is what A.D. is elsewhere; they date from it.
Mark Twain

As long as the Negroes are held down by deprivation and lack of opportunity,
the other poor people will be held down alongside them.
Governor Big Jim Folsom

We went across the South on Super Tuesday without a single catcall or boo, without a single ugly sign. Not until we got to New York and the North did the litmus test of
race and religion spout from the mouths of public officials.
Jesse Jackson

Every time I look at Atlanta I see what a quarter of a million Confederate
soldiers died to prevent.
John Shelton Reed

I just got wonderful news from my real estate agent in Florida. They found
land on my property.
Milton Berle

I didn't make Arkansas the butt of ridicule. God did.
H.L. Mencken

I like the South because it is so much warmer on the sidelines than it is up
North.
Coach Tom Landry

I know why we lost the Civil War. We must have had the same officials.
Coach Bum Phillips on losing the Senior Bowl

Young feller, you will never appreciate the potentialities of the English language until you have heard a Southern mule driver search the soul of a mule.
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

The South is a region that history has happened to.
Richard Weaver

The past is not dead. It isn't even past.
William Faulkner
 
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