NJ compliant 15 round range 9mm pistols
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marine6680
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The VP9 is an excellent pistol.
For range duty, it has a very nice trigger, and standard capacity is 15rds.
With the backstraps and side plates, it would be hard to not make it comfortable in the hand.
I use the small backstrap and medium side plates, and it fits my hand wonderfully.
The PPQ is also very good, and has a better trigger than the VP9 I feel, though the adjustability of the HK puts ergos in its favor. The PPQ is also 15rd standard.
While I find the p99 trigger interesting, I do not like it. The break is too far back. The length of pull to the trigger is short, so when the trigger breaks, it feels like I am practically touching my palm.
But that is a subjective opinion.
For range duty, it has a very nice trigger, and standard capacity is 15rds.
With the backstraps and side plates, it would be hard to not make it comfortable in the hand.
I use the small backstrap and medium side plates, and it fits my hand wonderfully.
The PPQ is also very good, and has a better trigger than the VP9 I feel, though the adjustability of the HK puts ergos in its favor. The PPQ is also 15rd standard.
While I find the p99 trigger interesting, I do not like it. The break is too far back. The length of pull to the trigger is short, so when the trigger breaks, it feels like I am practically touching my palm.
But that is a subjective opinion.
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chris in va
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Hey, to each their own. No need to carry if you don't want to.
I do want to ask why a polymer, striker gun. For purely range use why not something with a more precise trigger that uses a hammer? I'd be looking at something with a 5" barrel or thereabouts, not a 4" striker fired combat handgun.
I do want to ask why a polymer, striker gun. For purely range use why not something with a more precise trigger that uses a hammer? I'd be looking at something with a 5" barrel or thereabouts, not a 4" striker fired combat handgun.
marine6680
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If we go beyond poly strikers... I vote a CZ 75 or Sig 226 as being great options.
If all you ever want or need is a range toy .22 is the easiest way to go. If there is some reason that you just have to have a 9mm instead, the best you can do is a single action hammer fired gun. I would go with a single action CZ variant, a 9mm 1911, or a Star 9mm. The CZ type would have a higher capacity mag that I guess would be pinned in Jersey but if it's only for range use there's nothing wrong with a low capacity mag.
Pinned or blocked mags that are legal for use in NJ cannot be disassembled for cleaning or to replace a spring or follower. Use 10 round factory mags instead of blocked mags!
You have the prevailing apathetic attitude of NJ residents that led to the draconian "may issue" NJ gun laws, which state that if you are legally qualified to have a NJ carry permit, you still won't get one because your occupation does not require you to carry a firearm. I take my 2nd Amendment rights seriously and I served in the military to protect those rights. And your desire to not carry should not preempt my right to carry. I have a Pennsylvania drivers license, I don't need a NJ drivers license to drive to work in South Jersey every day. Why don't I have the same right with my PA License to Carry Firearms? So you keep your firearm and ammo locked in separate containers in the trunk of your car, and make sure you are driving to or from the shooting range while you are transporting it, this is NO WAY to treat law-abiding American citizens!
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Low Cap 10 rd. factory mags work for range use, and you can take these apart for cleaning or to replace a spring or follower. I was given a Glock 17 mag that had been blocked to restrict its capacity to 15 rounds. The block was riveted and then glued to the inside of the mag, and then the baseplate was glued to the bottom of the mag. I threw this piece of you know what out, these blocked mags will eventually malfunction and jam your gun, I would never use something like that in my gun!
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DA/SA Fan,
No, not at all am I trying to be condescending, that was not my intention. But to me, when I read all these gun forums, its almost like you guys are rooting for
a situation to use the gun for self defense.
If I used a gun in self defense in NJ, regardless if I kill or wounded the intruder,
I most likely would go bankrupt, lose my job, be arrested, etc. Your life, for all intends and purposes, is OVER.
Now maybe if I live in a more gun friendly state, I would have a different view point. But if you are a NJ resident, you BETTER hope and pray that you NEVER
have to use a firearm in self defense.
DA/SA Fan,
No, not at all am I trying to be condescending, that was not my intention. But to me, when I read all these gun forums, its almost like you guys are rooting for
a situation to use the gun for self defense.
If I used a gun in self defense in NJ, regardless if I kill or wounded the intruder,
I most likely would go bankrupt, lose my job, be arrested, etc. Your life, for all intends and purposes, is OVER.
Now maybe if I live in a more gun friendly state, I would have a different view point. But if you are a NJ resident, you BETTER hope and pray that you NEVER
have to use a firearm in self defense.
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Please take the time to read this article; It took a pardon from the Governor who wants to be your next President, Chris Christie, to get this woman out of trouble;
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/1...illy-mother-facing-three-years-on-gun-charge/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/1...illy-mother-facing-three-years-on-gun-charge/
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Berg,
I am very familiar with this case, thanks. That's exactly why you must follow
the letter of the law in NJ regarding transport and NEVER, EVER have the firearm loaded!
Im sorry, but as a responsible firearms owner in PA, she ABSOLUTELY needed
to know the transport laws in the state RIGHT next to her! Having a firearm, unloaded, in the trunk, does NOT seem unreasonable, to me. She deserved some punishment, BUT CERTAINLY not 3-5 years in jail, the Governor did the right thing.
Berg,
I am very familiar with this case, thanks. That's exactly why you must follow
the letter of the law in NJ regarding transport and NEVER, EVER have the firearm loaded!
Im sorry, but as a responsible firearms owner in PA, she ABSOLUTELY needed
to know the transport laws in the state RIGHT next to her! Having a firearm, unloaded, in the trunk, does NOT seem unreasonable, to me. She deserved some punishment, BUT CERTAINLY not 3-5 years in jail, the Governor did the right thing.
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I shoot about 10k rds of pistol a year through various pistols and honestly haven't cleaned my magazines in a long time. In my experience it takes an extreme amount of shooting for fouling to build up to the point to cause function issues in magazines. However I have a separate set of mags for each pistol for the range and another set for carry that are tested for function of 100 rds then left loaded. In the case of the OP since all these magazines will be used for is the range, while I get your point I'm not sure it's a huge deal.
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There are likely a select few like that, but it's a very small percentage. For many people it's about being prepared. I have insurance on my car despite the fact that I have never been in an automotive accident, I have insurance on my home despite not being at risk for natural disasters, and I have a fire extinguisher despite not accidentally setting fires. None of these forums of insurance encourages me to be reckless
There are forms of self defense insurance available as well.
Is that worse than your life possibly being physically over? As in you no longer have a pulse, or someone in your family no longer has a pulse? And again, owning a firearm for self defense or carry doesn't mean you are required to shoot the person. It's a last option and the show of force can dissuade people too.
I think choosing to carry is a very personal decision. I know those who own guns and have decided not to carry and while I may disagree they have their reasons and I respect that. My only issue here is that some of the sentiments you've expressed are exactly those used by anti-gun organizations who attempt to remove the rights of gun owners.
I have no problem with what you're saying. I carry my newest mags but shoot all of my mags. And I agree that I don't usually see a lot of fouling on the inside of the mags. But I've seen enough mag springs that were starting to corrode, on some of the older magazines to know that common sense dictates that I should replace mags springs every once in a while, and clean the insides of the mags at least twice a year. My West German police surplus Sig P225 is a good example of this, the mag springs were corroded when I first got it, and I repaced all 4 with Wolff mag springs. If I could find & afford replacement P225 magazines, they would probably have mag springs that were a little corroded.
I haven't had that problem personally but it would definitely be a good reason to clean/change springs.
That's a good point too, because the magazines in question could be decades old. None of my magazines fall into that category and that may be why I'm not seeing the issue with the springs.
I'll make one more comment on this thread & then I'll lay off. The woman was a new gun owner and a new holder of a PA Livense to Carry. The local cops along the Jersey shore routes will target PA drivers on their way to the beach so she got pulled over for an alleged moving violation and, thinking this was the right thing to do, she told the cop that dhe was carrying a loaded .380 Bersa in her handbag. There is no reciprocity between PA & NJ so they made an example of her & threw the book at her. Had she kept her mouth shut she would have probably gotten off with whatever the moving violation was.
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