"Nice [TFL] Shirt You're Wearing" : Another FUD File.

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OK heres the way I see it. The officer had no articulable cause to believe you were carrying a firearm other than your "t" shirt and that dont count! Supreme court has ruled on several occasions that drug related clothing in and of itself may not be considered as aticulable cause. I think any judge would see this in the same light. He had no reason to suspect you were guilty of any crime. He had no reason to bother you AT ALL!

Officer safety? Why was the officer in danger? He initiated an action AGAINST a person with NO CAUSE! He should have paid for his donut and left regardless of what FUD was wearing. Even if it was a G string and fishnet hose!

I had to come back because this is the kind of **** that makes MY life harder! Not only did he have no right, He could be seen as having violated your 1st, 4th and maybe your 5th amendment rights! over a T shirt?

[This message has been edited by Gonzo_308 (edited September 26, 2000).]
 
He should have paid for his donut and left! LMAO
Gonzo that is cold.
PS Now I'll have to go to sleep tonight with the metal image of FUD in a "G"-string and fishnet stockings. Thanks a lot Buddy! :eek:
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FUD:
I just should have changed into something else before going out -- my fault.[/quote]

No, not your fault. Based on your description, the deputy was one step over the line. You were not committing a crime. Even once you had confirmed that you were carrying a concealed weapon he had no basis for thinking that you might be carrying illegally--oh, yeah, I forgot. "Innocent until proven guilty" disappeared with FDR.


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I hate LEO bashing threads but this guy was an idiot all the way round. Poor tactics as well as judgment. He`s the same guy you see in some sleazy ginmill wearing his off duty Deputy Sheriff shirt. In his case, it might as well say "Shoot Me".
Maybe because of Fud`s shirt he`ll find his way here and maybe save his own life.
 
The deputy had no probable cause to question FUD. Basing it on the shirt is the same as basing it on skin color, which is unacceptable. The demonstration of force (visibly unsnapping the safety strap and putting his hand on his weapon) made this a detention. Technically, FUD should have been Mirandized before being questioned. This "deputy" not only violates the law (probably a bit power hungry) but also basic procedure.
 
I don't like the LEO bashing threads, but this particular deputy needs to be bashed. FUD, you did all the right things except to get the deputy's name. Sheriffs are elected officials, so they tend to dislike their deputies harassing voters.
Eric
 
FUD, do you think this officer would have "questioned" you if you had a t-shirt with a picture of a marajuana leaf or a pic of a "Kershaw Knives" logo?.....

This was gun owner discrimination, plain and simple.

CMOS

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A dumb ass looking to make himself feel a little more manly by harassing someone he knew wasn't a criminal. People like that need to spend some quality time in prison where he can be around other criminals.
 
"You wouldn't be carrying any firearms?" Something really galls me about that statement (yes, statement).

Jeff, I couldn't agree more. I was thinking an appropriate responce would have been a noncommital "right". No real question, no real answer.
 
Just say NO!

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Are we all 100%, without second thought, sure beyond any doubt that FUD did not print?

The nice shirt comment may have just been an opener to approach what the officer reasonably believed to be a crime in progress. I would imagine that FL has some prohibition against printing while carrying concealed, and the deupty may have been investigating such a crime.

Unless we know exactly what the officer was thinking, and precisely why he was there, all this posturing means nothing.

I'm not saying the deputy was right. I'm just saying we've no moral standing to judge him unless we know both sides of the story. At this time, we don't.

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[This message has been edited by deanf (edited September 27, 2000).]
 
I wonder what would have happened if you just said "I refuse to answer that question." or "Why do you want to know?" or simply "No". Aren't you legally allowed to do that? If he arrested you for "wearing a suspicious t-shirt" I think he and his dept. would be in a world of legal crap.

I don't like the idea of being able to search someone based on their T-shirt. I think that's been held up by the supreme court. To me, that's like searching someone based on the color of their skin - definitely not acceptable.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by deanf:
Are we all 100%, without second thought, sure beyond any doubt that FUD did not print?
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Deanf,

So what?!

This is a compromising stance, and has gotten us where we are today. Viewed as social low-lifes, by the priviledged "elite".

"Show me your papers!"



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Do it for the children...
 
Perhaps law enforcement should stop every vehicle on the public highways, just in case one or more might be stolen??
(Grrr :mad: )

Enough of this chubby thread. Part TWO, if needed.)

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deanf, I'm almost 100% certain that I did not print. I can carry the Taurus M85 with a tucked in shirt without it printing -- with an untucked shirt, it disappears even more. FUD.
 
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