Newt Gingrich considers White House bid.

Amazing...out of one side of your mouths, Bush and Co. are the biggest bunch of liars to come down the pike in a long time; out of the other, he's telling the truth about WMD. I guess when you're all over the lot, like you guys, your kind of double speak is just fine.

I'm goin' to look for another swingset to play on. AMF
 
Pay attention, please...the WMD were trucked to Syria after a 'heads up' to Sadaam by Russia just before the war. They remain in the Bekka Valley under Syrian control in Lebanon. The reports of the WMD teams leaving Iraq last week were 'spun' by the media to reinforce their premise that there never were any WMD, not that the WMD had been moved prior to the invasion.
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Now that does sound like a wild conspirwassy theewy. Isn't this the same media that had the camera view and angles just right to make the dancing and cheering crowd rented by Mr. Chalabi appear to be the "throngs in Baghdad celebrating" victory and Saddam's statue being torn down? Or is this another media? And aren't Russia our "allies in the war on terror"?
 
I watched it as depicted on we-hate-Bush-CNN; who did their darndest to avoid showing any empty parts of Baghdad Square or other street areas. It was all thronging crowds (crowding the lens frames that is) with the V signs etc.

How co-operative of the we-hate-Bush-and-oppose-the-war-CNN ;)
 
gburner
Bush is a fraud
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Oy, btw; does one have to "just hate Bush" to state that he is a fraud? Or is it possible to say so based on observations, and faculties of the intellect like reason and logic?
 
He is a fraud in the sense that all politicians are frauds. IMHO, love and hate have little to do with it.
You folks, however, are obsessed. Please feel free to continue to quote me out of context.
 
Amazing...out of one side of your mouths, Bush and Co. are the biggest bunch of liars to come down the pike in a long time; out of the other, he's telling the truth about WMD. I guess when you're all over the lot, like you guys, your kind of double speak is just fine.
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Was this directed at me? If so, would you mind telling me where/when I called Bush, or anyone in his administration, a liar?

If not.....carry on. :)
 
gburner
He is a fraud in the sense that all politicians are frauds. IMHO, love and hate have little to do with it.
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Calling the President of the United States a fraud can not be taken in very many different contexts other than the meaning of the word; a deliberate deception for some gain. Whether you think all other politicians are also frauds is interesting, but not relevant.

But I just wanted to make sure you meant fraud, and not something else ;)
 
Since when did you become the sole arbiter of what is and isn't relevant. I explained my statement and the context in which I made it. No one cares whether you think parts of it are relevant or not. And here's a news flash...
from time to time politicians deliberately deceive the electorate and others for 'some gain'...all politicians. Doesn't necessarily mean financial gain; could be an increase in power, prestiege, status or something as simple as getting legislation passed or dispensing 'favors'.
I find it both interesting AND relevant that you are naive to the point that this fact escapes your towering intellect, dispite your 'travels'. Wake up. Go talk with some real people.
 
Liar and incompetent fraud?

I am tempted to call Mr. Bu$h both, but he has been reelected based on his lies and his frauds and his incompetence, so one can hardly call him a failure.
On the other hand, an argument could be made that he is the perfect leader for a nation which has lost its proper focus and belies its values.
For those of us who have watched the Bu$h family for many years, it is no surprise that he is where he is. This family will do and say anything to grasp political power and hold it. Backs against the wall, 'Merka! Jeb is the next one to be shoved into the White House. They make the Kennedys look like amateurs....
 
You generally get what you give.....

gburner - you are among the first to complain if someone disses your posts, so what do you do? Engage the ideas expressed?
No, you denigrate and dismiss.
It says a lot about your skills in debate.
 
How can you defend someone like Bush without resorting to such tactics? :cool:

Amazing...out of one side of your mouths, Bush and Co. are the biggest bunch of liars to come down the pike in a long time; out of the other, he's telling the truth about WMD. I guess when you're all over the lot, like you guys, your kind of double speak is just fine.
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Doublespeak? Huh?

It's all part of the larger fraud. I don't know why you don't seem to be able to process the information in this thread efficiently enough to comprehend that some people might have ideas about the world that are entirely different from Sean Hannity's or Al Franken's version.
 
Ok ... George Bush is a fraud - and we can point out what, why, when, where, and how. Without malice. Glad we settled that one ;)
 
And though I believe him to be somewhat of a fraud, in the way that most politicians and some folks that claim to be Christians are frauds, he is again our President.
He is leading us through one of the most historically significant times in our nation's history and, yes, I support him. He is hardheaded, will not admit mistakes (although, when swimming with sharks the last thing that you want to do is cut yourself), and steps across the line into halftruths and falsehood. He is too loyal to some who have done his administration wrong. He pays way too much attention to a vision of America 20 years on and not enough about the here and now.
Still, given the choice between Bush and his nearest competitor, dispite my misgivings the right and proper choice was obvious.

So, go ahead and mock me; twist my words out of context and use them against me; damn me for giving answers to questions that you ask without having the stones to give answers demanded of you; continue to walk around in the fog of your own self delusion. I don't give a damn.
Just do us all a favor and stop pretending that you have all the answers to a nation that you think is sinking into oblivion. Your hubris is boring and brings down the intellect of what is generally a pretty good forum.
 
And though I believe him to be somewhat of a fraud,
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That is one word I never used to describe him. GWB is definitely genuine..... although that is all the more frightening.

He is hardheaded, will not admit mistakes (although, when swimming with sharks the last thing that you want to do is cut yourself), and steps across the line into halftruths and falsehood. He is too loyal to some who have done his administration wrong. He pays way too much attention to a vision of America 20 years on and not enough about the here and now.
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True.

So, go ahead and mock me; twist my words out of context and use them against me; damn me for giving answers to questions that you ask without having the stones to give answers demanded of you; continue to walk around in the fog of your own self delusion.
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Nobody is mocking you in particular, just expressing their fear of having the guy in charge of the most powerful forces on earth. And "delusion" is in the eye of the beholder....

I watched a PBS documentary today and listend to one of the senior admin members explain how the election was going to transform Iraq..... afterwards (he said) Iraqis would feel invested in their new government and turn from supporting the insurgency.

CLUNK! That was me falling off my chair.

His myopic "vision" failed to recognize 1/3 of the "Iraqis" are Sunnis who are refusing to participate and view the entire process as a US forced venture to install a government of the Shiites, by the Shiites, and for the Shiites.

Exactly how is the election going to do anything but convince them that they have been cut out of the new government?

He also blamed the stubborness of the insurgency on this: they are a bunch of saddam loyalists who are afraid that they will be prosecuted for war crimes, so they fight out of desperation. Really? How hard will the Sunni insurgents be willing to fight after the election when they see a new Shiite dominant government has been enshrined and they know the future will hold nothing for them in their own country? How will the "Iraqi People" in the Sunni triangle see the government as their hope for the future?

Like I said, "delusion" is where you find it. And listening to this guy talk about his "vision" was like watching somebody throwing a saddle onto a horse with four broken legs.
 
"Mocking"?? Naaaah.

But coming from someone who seems to take great pleasure in insulting me personally ....
And though I believe him to be somewhat of a fraud, in the way that most politicians and some folks that claim to be Christians are frauds, he is again our President...
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He is leading us through one of the most historically significant times in our nation's history and, yes, I support him. He is hardheaded, will not admit mistakes (although, when swimming with sharks the last thing that you want to do is cut yourself), and steps across the line into halftruths and falsehood [my emphasis] ...
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.. I think I'll have to cut, paste and frame these two.

Cheerio.
 
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