Newsweek causes Muslim unrest, then retracts story

I'm kind of amazed at the reaction

I really diddnt defile the Koran, I just wanted to see what the reaction would be.
I was called a red neck and several other things, and some one also said that free speach can be a dangerious thing.
And about the Cedar flag, you can bet your life if I saw some one burning an American flag I would think very poorly of them but I wouldnt go out and kill 20 or more people and burn every flag with a Cedar tree on it.
But the thing how many flags do you see Americans burn. Thank god we have rid our country of the likes of the KKK and other scum thats only output was to hurt people and put them down like the people over there that are killing and burning just becouse of a mistaken report.
How can any one have respect for people that cause damage and kill becouse of a story, and one that seems to have no truth. And now they want the president to say he is sorry.
Let them have there Koran, I will stay with my bible that says Dont kill
 
How can any one have respect for people that cause damage and kill becouse of a story
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What did we do when we heard Saddam had weapons of mass destruction? That was a pretty good story huh?

(....and how can anyone have any respect for a liar.......first you wiped your behind with the Koran, and now you didn't. Were you lying then, or are you lying now?)

I felt so incensed by the story, several people killed and seeing the American flag being burnt that I went out and bought a Koran.
I really did.
I am sorry to report that the Koran makes poor toilet paper. I find it a little rough.
And I am not kidding here.
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Ozzieman,

"They" do not all think with one mind. That's the point. Just like the west has its extremists, (ie, the guy who shot a hindu store owner in Arizona in retaliation for 9-11), they have theirs. So even though maybe you wouldn't go out and do something violent, some people will...we just happen to be a lot better here at isolating, controlling, and stopping those kinds of people on this side of the world.

I didn't see many Americans burn eastern flags, but I did see you post to brag about desecrating a Koran. That's essentially the same business as the radical flag burning to me.
 
Ozzieman said:
I was called a red neck.....
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No you weren't. If you choose to step into the slippers and claim to be Cinderella, that's completely up to you.

Ozzieman said:
I really diddnt defile the Koran, I just wanted to see what the reaction would be.
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And I'm certain your little Social Experiment was quite intellectually enlightening and you're now willing to share what you've learned?. :rolleyes: You're dismissed from this debate now for lack of credibility.

I suggest you rebuild that credibility slowly and thoughtfully. There is no other way here.

Think Twice; Post Once
Rich
 
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...and some one also said that free speach can be a dangerious thing.
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Do you not agree? It killed how many people as a result of this story? That's pretty dangerous if you ask me. :mad:

Free Speech gives us so much power, that we must be responsible.

Free Speech gives us enough rope to hang ourselves. The liberal media is standing at the gallows and the necks of the military men and women are in the noose; not to mention each and everyone of our necks. :mad:

Newsweak, and other medial organizations (especially extreme liberal media) will cause the death of countless individuals before the middle-east predicament is over. :mad:

:barf:
 
If I were going to interrogate a terrorist, what, I'm going to keep him up all hours, give him little sleep so his mind is putty and he'll talk, mess with his mind, but OH MY GOD THE KORAN, I CAN INTERROGATE HIM USING EXTREME MEANS, BUT OH MY GOD, NOT THE KORAN!
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No. You can't. Aside from the fact that it would be ineffective, it is a prohibited technique. Extreme sleep deprivation is also a prohibited technique. There are strict guidelines on how much sleep a detainee is allowed in a 24 hour period. As an interrogator in Iraq, if I wanted to vary from those guidelines, I had to have prior written approval from GEN Sanchez himself 72 hours prior to using the technique.

My biggest pain in the butt came from field grade officers that thought since they were smart, they could do any one of my many jobs without training. Thankfully they left at least the interrogations to me and my team.
 
I had to have prior written approval from GEN Sanchez himself 72 hours prior to using the technique.
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Don't forget the doctors observing to make sure that the detainee was not suffering from trauma due to the technique.

We are very careful to take it to the line in order to get results, but go no farther than what the rules allow. I don't want to be the underlying cause of 16 people being killed in riots or four contractors being hung from a bridge.

My biggest pain in the butt came from field grade officers that thought since they were smart, they could do any one of my many jobs without training. Thankfully they left at least the interrogations to me and my team.
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Should have done what the boss man and I did. Interrogation ROE stated that interrogations could only be conducted by warrant officers with the MOS of 351B/E, enlisted personnel with the MOS of 97B/E, and civilians contracted to conduct interrogations. "Gee Major, I would love to let you conduct an interrogation, but the general signed off on this policy letter stating that you are not allowed to do so. Sorry." :D
 
I say again, they left the interrogations to me and my team.

It's everything else that we had the mission to do that they wanted a piece of.
 
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No, my brother, I am not missing the point.

You operated in a small facility, which you owned, and had dedicated MPs. We operated all over and around a base camp (over 1000 square km) where we weren't well recognized (by design) and had security from the supported task forces (who sure as heck recognized their field grades).

My team had the authority to conduct our missions. The field grades didn't. My authority came from GEN Sanchez, and in the same memo he forbade others from conducting the missions. I repeatedly pointed this out in various ways, even showing it to them in black and white. That mattered not to the field grades in question. One MAJ (now LTC) said, "You can be the first witness at my court-martial." At that point, my only methods of redress were to end meetings (which I did) or pull weapons on the field grades (which I obviously didn't).

I'm only glad they didn't attempt to handle interrogations, too.
 
Ah, gotcha. Field grades blowing off policy, nothing new.

Getting this back on topic, does anybody have the text of the LA Times editorial that was discussed on the O'Reilly Factor last night, blaming this incident on the administration? I would love to see the logic behind this one.
 
LA Times = :barf:

I saw the show, the article is as ridiculous as O'Reilly made it out to be. It's always going to be the administrations fault.

My opinion is even IF we were having tea and krimpets with Muslims before the lies of Koran flushing broke, and some Liberal was in office in lieu of Bush... the Muslim world would still have responded with this furiocity. And then who would be to blame? Certainly not Newsweek. :rolleyes:
 
Unreal..........

Well, just when we thought Newsweek had owed up to a huge mistake in the story that ran about the flushing of a holy book. Today ABC and other networks stated that the story was in print for over 4 days and the Pentagon said nothing and did nothing. I guess that puts all the blame back on them. How interesting is that? That is like saying, yes I shot that person but all my neighbors saw me walk out on the porch and load and shoot. Nobody stopped me from doing it. So in some twisted way it's not my fault I shot him? What the hell? It shows how ignorant these fools in media are. Ok, I got your back Newsweek.......We will spin it and sell it like it is everyone else's fault your story induced a murder filled riot.... I am at a total loss for words other than they (media) whom wrote and back up this story can all go straight to hell........ And if any part of the government would have tried to stop this story from going to press that same media would say - hey, we have our freedom of press and you can't tell us what write or not write......

Unreal........... unreal........... very sick and yet that is ok? How could anyone and I mean anyone in journalism let that story fly.........what a bunch of idiots......... I do hope some folks at Newsweek will need to sharpen up the resume and send it out????? :barf: X :barf: = Newsweek........

Yep, I am Pissed Off...........
 
Today ABC and other networks stated that the story was in print for over 4 days and the Pentagon said nothing and did nothing.
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If they had done someting, the press would have cried out that their right to free press was being attacked. 16 people died because the administration showed restraint due to the importance of a free press and hoped that the press would police itself. Unfortunately, ethics does not seem to be a required class for a journalism degree these days. I guess the press wants the administration to be a bully (slapping down Newsweek), a weakling (rolling over because they are the press and can not be denied), and a murderer (because this has to be the administration's fault) at the same time so they have something to report. Attention editors, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You want to report something, corroborate it. If you can't and publish the story anyway, you had better be willing to face the music if you are wrong. Anonymous sources should be protected if they are telling the truth. Whistleblowers should be protected if they are telling the truth. If they are not and are trying to use the press as a tool to promote a personal agenda, there should be consequences. If the press does not corroborate a story because it fits into their institutional agenda and they harm others by doing it, there should be consequences. I don't think this qualifies as treason, but it does qualify as libel since it was a deliberate attack meant to destroy the military's reputation, as well as the administration's. The fact that the libel happened due to gross incompetence on the part of Newsweek in not corroborating the story and then reporting the story does not clear them. They are an established publication that has been in the business for decades. They are negligent because they do know better than to publish unsubstantiated reports that were unconfirmed by any other source. All those involved in approving the story for publication should be fired and Newsweek should be fined the amount of money they made from the sale of that issue. The source (or BS artist if you prefer) should be named and fined as well.

As gun owners, we spend a lot of time talking about personal responsibility. I doubt that it is discussed often in the editors' offices because they know their actions are above the law due to the Constitution. If the First Amendment makes them above the law with regards to libel laws, why doesn't the Second Amendment make us above the law with respect to firearms regulations (NFA, GCA, etc.)?

From the article:
Shutting down Guantanamo and giving suspected terrorists legal protections would help restore our reputation abroad.
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Hello, these guys are not U.S. citizens, were not caught in the U.S., and are not currently on American soil. That makes their legal rights a matter for the Afghan government to decide, doesn't it? I don't think Hamid Karzai has asked for these guys back yet.
 
When I first heard the Newsweek story reported on TV, my reaction was "that was pretty stupid"... and if it were true, it wouldn't suprise me in the least. 16 people died as a result of reaction to the story..... that's terrible, but we have statistically at least 136 people die every day in auto accidents (50,000/365 days) and no one really says anything much about it. Dump the Koran down the toilet and it is a terrible terrible thing....I am not going to loose any sleep over the story. What really bothered me about the story was that Newsweek was trying to show that the terrible US government was at it again.... That s*cks basically and I wouldn't buy their rag (or Time Magazine) if it was the only source of news here. Thank goodness it is not.

I speaking of subtle propaganda.... the Dems are labeling the Conservative Right of the Republican party as "Right Wing Extremists". (In regard to the fight over the justice nominations.... (they are getting ready for the Supreme Court nominees that will be coming later on this year.) This is the opposite to the "Liberal Left Wing" of the Democratic party. I always thought that conservative meant that you were not particularily extreme about anything except maybe the US Constitution, crime, and gun rights??? The liberals just think they are smarter than everyone else and know what is best for you.
 
Anonymous sources should be protected if they are telling the truth. Whistleblowers should be protected if they are telling the truth. If they are not and are trying to use the press as a tool to promote a personal agenda, there should be consequences.
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Beautifully stated.

However, I am still not in favor of blowing the whistle if it is going to endanger lives of our military personel, OR encourage the terrorists to strike us on our soil.

To me, this is just common sense.
 
However, I am still not in favor of blowing the whistle if it is going to endanger lives of our military personel, OR encourage the terrorists to strike us on our soil.
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Good point, Trip. There should be consequences, but if it a matter of safety, then they don't necessarily have to be reported worldwide. If someone wants to comb through FOIA requests and public records to find out the specifics, then let them do so. But not everything needs to be broadcast on Al Jazeera.
 
Isn't this whole story stupid on the face of it? How do you flush a 400+ page book down a toilet? I can see 3rd world rioting retards having never seen a flush toilet, but shouldn't the folks have Newsweek read the story and said, "this just makes no goddamn sense?"

:confused:

Signed, a 35E who didn't hang around to make field grade. :D
 
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