Newbie tried to school me on the .357 mag vs .45acp

also johnwilliamson062 some of the stories might have lingered and/or carried over from WWI only 20something yrs earlier. I'm sure it was easier to take out a tank or plane during the Great War of the Lost Generation. Its amazing how far military battles transcended between the 1st two World Wars. WWI had some guys dumping buckets of nails on enemy soldiers and shooting firearms that weren't attached to the plane.
 
Both the .45 and .357 are complete junk! The .40 S&W will blow the head clean off of an Elk, shatter ceramic breast-plates, destroy Mig's and kill Superman. :D

Seriously, 9mm, .40, .45acp, .357, .38 Special, 10mm, and a bunch of other cartridges will get the job done.
 
iirc an Italian tank was stopped by a soldier with a Thompson. So the .45 has stopped a tank.
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IIRC, the Italian tanks were so bad that you could stop one by spitting on it just right.
 
When I was younger, I wanted a .357 in the worst way. I've never bought one, though I've shot many. I started shooting .45 ACP fairly early and fell in love with the 1911 platform, both of which I use as my EDC. It was for many reasons, most of which have already been mentioned, though blast was a biggie. Don't get me wrong, they all roar but the magnums, to me, especially in a small package, are annoying. This, of course, includes 10mm which do I carry for woods/hiking, but it does have a lot of blast. Either will serve you well, I just prefer autos and .45 ACP. Now, this statement:
The GP-100 is a near-perfect all-around handgun, with lots of flexibility in ammo choice depending on what you want to do.
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I consider quite true as far as revolvers go and should I ever feel the need for a .357, the GP100 would be at the top of my list. Then again, they're making the Coonan again.;)
 
Other choice will be the Springfiel XD 45. .357 mag choices will be a Ruger GP100.
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I have a GP100 that I like a lot. I've shot the XD 45 and it will likely be my first 45, when I finally do get one.
 
if it dont need fixin then dont try to fix it

the reason why I stick with revolvers. every other handgun since my ruger gp100(my 1st revolver) is me trying to copycat perfection, but it will never be as good as the 1st time!!
 
These kinds of posts are always fun and informative. I've carried, fired, taught and loved firearms of all kinds for over 40 years and am still surprised at the crazy statements folks tell us about. I'd bet that members of sites like this rarely have members who don't at least think before they comment on specific weapons, but OH, the things they've heard people say.

As for manufacture, I prefer to buy American, BUT I will also purchase a good quality firearm from a foreign manufaturer if there is an excellent pedegree behind the weapon. To that end, joining my Kimbers, Smiths, Colts, Rugers, Seecamp and NAAs, I own a beautiful Rossi model M68 in .38 Spl, Three CZs and my Bersa Thunder .380. I won't apologize for any of those.
 
The 45ACP is not a long range cartridge - it was designed to stop an enemy at close range. Considering that it is 100 years old and still performing well, my vote is for the 45ACP.
 
Lets see,,, I have a M&P .45 and a 686P. With my hot reloads in either weapon, I don't think I'm any where near under gunned. :)
 
When it comes to numbers, there are three kinds of people: those that understand them and those who don't. :D
 
Heck, sometimes, I carry both! A Dan Wesson .357 on my side and a 1911 or Sig 220 in 45 ACP in a shoulder holster. If just one tho, a .45 & spare mag.
 
Doyle: There is a painting depicting the act I wish I could find.

Please don't belittle an act of heroism.


Found him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_C._Waybur

David Crowder Waybur (1919–March 28, 1945) was a United States Army officer and a recipient of the United States military's highest decoration—the Medal of Honor—for his actions in World War II. During the Allied invasion of Sicily, he led his small patrol in its defense against an attack by four Italian tanks. Despite being seriously wounded, he continued to lead and personally disabled one tank with only a Tommy gun. After receiving the Medal of Honor for these actions, he returned to combat and was killed in action in Germany.
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CMOH Citation

WAYBUR, DAVID C.

Rank and organization: First Lieutenant, U.S. Army, 3d Reconnaissance Troop, 3d Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Agrigento, Sicily, 17 July 1943. Entered service at: Piedmont, Calif. Birth: Oakland, Calif. G.O. No.: 69, 21 October 1943. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty in action involving actual conflict with the enemy. Commander of a reconnaissance platoon, 1st Lt. Waybur volunteered to lead a 3-vehicle patrol into enemy-held territory to locate an isolated Ranger unit. Proceeding under cover of darkness, over roads known to be heavily mined, and strongly defended by road blocks and machinegun positions, the patrol's progress was halted at a bridge which had been destroyed by enemy troops and was suddenly cut off from its supporting vehicles by 4 enemy tanks. Although hopelessly outnumbered and out-gunned, and himself and his men completely exposed, he quickly dispersed his vehicles and ordered his gunners to open fire with their .30 and .50 caliber machineguns. Then, with ammunition exhausted, 3 of his men hit and himself seriously wounded, he seized his .45 caliber Thompson submachinegun and standing in the bright moonlight directly in the line of fire, alone engaged the leading tank at 30 yards and succeeded in killing the crewmembers, causing the tank to run onto the bridge and crash into the stream bed. After dispatching 1 of the men for aid he rallied the rest to cover and withstood the continued fire of the tanks till the arrival of aid the following morning.

http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/3055/waybur-david-c.php
 
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Caliber is consideration 3

1) Is the platform one that you use comfortably and capably.
2) Does the available ammunition offer sufficient terminal ballistics to accomplish rapid incapacitation with a hit to the vitals.
3) What caliber is it.

I currently own pistols in both .45 and .357. I have an XD and have owned and sold 2 GP100s. The GP100 is a great platform, but I got Smithitis and let them go. More of a religious decision than a functional one. After the Red Dawn there will be nothing left but roaches, Twinkies, and a battered but reliable GP100. Go with the one you soot the best.
 
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