New York 8 round revolvers?

Great. I own an 8 round S&W 317. That's a .22. It's not ok to fire on an empty cylinder, firing pin damage. I can't even put in an empty case, that could be misconstrued as being live when I put it in. The plastic snap caps last something like 10 hits. This is gonna be fun.
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I'm told that cheap plastic drywall anchors make great .22 snap caps, although I've never tried it, and I don't remember which size I was told to use.
 
It's not jumping to a conclusion when a state trooper answers a hotline specifically set up for these questions, looks into it and calls me back with a reply that revolvers must only be loaded with seven rounds after April 15.
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That trooper probably "asked someone" who could be anyone from co-worker to jail trustee to receptionist at some legislator's office. THAT person may have easily have jumped to a conclusion, guessed, asked someone else who guessed or jumped etc.

I can pretty much guarantee that hot line trooper's question didn't go to the legislature floor and gotten discussed, argued and clarified by the lawmakers.

I believe we would all do well to remain relaxed, inquisitive and informed from as many sources as possible. Those troopers came to work one day and were told "we're now manning a hot line for the governor's gun control project". They are just as confused about it all as both the pro and anti gun side of the population and government.


Sgt Lumpy - n0eq
 
NEVER NEVER NEVER take the word of a law enforcement officer on ANY aspect of the law. First, cops are not lawyers. Second, most cops know very little about the law, especially a new law that no one seems to fully understand. Third, it is in their interest to lie and entrap you so they can build up their arrest record.

Read the law. If something is not clear, write (no e-mail) the state Attorney General and ask for a written ruling. If you or your family are questioned or threatened by a state officer, get an attorney. Don't wait until you are arrested and "accidentally" killed by Cuomo's Gestapo wannabes.

Jim
 
Such mags are theoretically legal, yes, but according to how I read the law, the trick is that you have to somehow prove that the magazine itself (or the revolver cylinder or speedloader... on topic? ) is over 50 years old. This is kinda tricky to do with a non-serialized and often completely unmarked sheetmetal doohickey.



Hello... Legal Basics: Burden of Proof is on Prosecution, not Defense.

They need to prove that it is newer.. not the other way around.


Willie

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Skidder said:
We get tons of Californians here in Montana. The problem is we're getting the ones who couldn't stand to wallow in their own mire (crime, taxes and whatnot). So the first thing they do is fight to have the laws changed to the ones they left??? They say it's for our own good, but when you ask them why they left? they simply reply, "to raise my kids in a better environment".
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The exact same thing has been happening here in Colorado. So many Californians, turning our amazing state into California 2.0. States need to start passing bills to keep Californians out...
 
I hate to see this sort of thing happening. Knee jerk reactions by overbearing politicians and lawmakers thinking they know what is best for the people.

I am glad I live where I do, but I am not so naive as to think that it couldn't happen here.

I hope that companies and voters of said state and future states will stand up and vote out the ones that are providing all of this stress.
 
So if you had a S&W 627 Pro 8 shot revolver and went to the range to target practice or to hunt some where in NY.....you could only legally load 7 rounds in the revolver ? Doesn't this seem a bit childish...like being told your not responsible enough to have one more round in the revolver ? :rolleyes:
 
I'm a bit sick of the "move" mentality, this is my home, I was born and raised in NY and it's my duty to try and get this law repealed if possible. My father would roll over in his urn if I turned tail and ran at the first sign of a fight, I was raised better than that. If we lose the battle then I will consider moving to a free state but for now I'd rather try to fix what's broken, that may very well turn out to be impossible and I realize that.

As for the State Police, the new law is 40 pages long and is comprised of amendments to the penal code, mental hygiene law, family court law, etc. so it's no surprise that the Trooper on the phone didn't know. As to who he may have asked for the answer, I'd have to guess it was probably his immediate supervisor and probably doesn't really have any idea whether it'd be legal to load 8 rounds in a revolver or not. A lawyer would be the one to ask or maybe a judge if you have access to one you could ask.

Stu
 
I'm a bit sick of the "move" mentality, this is my home, I was born and raised in NY and it's my duty to try and get this law repealed if possible. My father would roll over in his urn if I turned tail and ran at the first sign of a fight, I was raised better than that.
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I'm with you, Stu. I participated in a couple of these discussions over at THR, and the NY bashing is worse than you can imagine. I've never seen posters at THR allowed to be so....Low Road.

One guy said we should be ashamed of ourselves. As I've pointed out in various threads here, we have nothing to be ashamed of. We live in a state where we're outnumbered. You vote for the right people, you do the right things, and you're still simply overwhelmed by the big city populations that are predominantly liberal. It's really easy for someone in Wyoming or Colorado to say we are getting what we deserved, but it's not true.

Sad to see so many buying into the fight-amongst-yourself mentality, rather than gathering forces against the real threat. I think the Obama plan is going to be a real wakeup call to the rest of the country that good, gun owning people are, for the most part, outnumbered nationally as well. We just got an early taste of what's to come in NY.
 
Of course, you don't have to move. Speaking personally, it would boil down to this: why would I want to live among those that DON'T value my kind of freedom? Freedom to defend myself, if necessary. Freedom to own the kind of guns I want to. Freedom to go shooting when I want. Freedom to have as much ammo in my house, or on me, that I desire. Freedom to be around other like minded people who don't encroach on MY freedoms. New Yorkers can stay and fight for their rights. I won't be joining them, but I won't be turning them away if they move to Ohio.
 
Sad to see so many buying into the fight-amongst-yourself mentality, rather than gathering forces against the real threat. I think the Obama plan is going to be a real wakeup call to the rest of the country that good, gun owning people are, for the most part, outnumbered nationally as well. We just got an early taste of what's to come in NY.
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You don't like the idea that someone suggests there's a problem in NY, yet you're perfectly willing to suggest that the problem is nation wide?

I don't think the "sky is falling" line of thinking is productive in the least. NY has a very serious problem, right now, on the books, laws passed. Doesn't really matter if individual residents are "offended" by others suggesting there's a problem there. Doesn't matter if anyone from NY suggests "It's an early taste of what's to come in YOUR state". What matters is that come about April of this year, YOU and a few thousand or million other NY'ers will be criminals because of your gun/magazine/whatever ownership. Doesn't really matter whose fault that is. But passing that off as "It's just an early taste of what you're going to get as well" is NOT going to get you out of jail in April.

How about let's FIX the nonsense in NY and other places where the emperors are clueless, rather than cave in and say "I'm offended, you'll get yours". There must be a reason why you want to stay in a state which has enacted laws that will make YOU a criminal in a few months. If it were me, I'd be seriously weighing those reasons against the fines/jail time, whatever ramifications that could manifest themselves out of this stupid, but very very real set of laws that YOUR legislators have enacted.

My legislators have not enacted those kinds of laws.


Sgt Lumpy - n0eq
 
You don't like the idea that someone suggests there's a problem in NY, yet you're perfectly willing to suggest that the problem is nation wide?
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I'm the FIRST to admit there's a huge problem in NY. It wasn't caused by people like me. You should really read my post before commenting with something that far off base. I absolutely stand by what I said. The problem that IS in NY, is also the problem we face nationwide.

Check out who just got inaugurated yesterday...YES, the problem is nationwide. Again, as I just said in the last post, we here in NY got a taste of what's to come, most likely, for the rest of the US.

rather than cave in and say "I'm offended, you'll get yours".
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I'm offended at the NY bashing. I don't want you to "get yours". I suspect that we are all going to "get ours". I don't wish this on anyone.
 
Way off topic - get back to the technical nature of revolvers.

General NYS commentary - move, stay and fight, run around and flap your arms - can be in one of the threads in General or L and CR.
 
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So if you had a S&W 627 Pro 8 shot revolver and went to the range to target practice or to hunt some where in NY.....you could only legally load 7 rounds in the revolver ? Doesn't this seem a bit childish...like being told your not responsible enough to have one more round in the revolver ?"

As a Brit who knows a thing or two about ill-informed, over-the-top, knee-jerk legislation, this strikes me as utterly pointless.

If someone has a revolver capable of holding 8 rounds or more and is of a mind to misuse it, for example by committing multiple homicide, they're hardly going to be put off loading the cylinder to capacity just cos they're not allowed to load more than 7 rounds.

Or is there something obvious that I've missed?
 
So if you had a S&W 627 Pro 8 shot revolver and went to the range to target practice or to hunt some where in NY.....you could only legally load 7 rounds in the revolver ?
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There is a narrow exception for a sanctioned competition being held at a shooting range, but otherwise, you are correct.
As a Brit who knows a thing or two about ill-informed, over-the-top, knee-jerk legislation, this strikes me as utterly pointless... If someone has a revolver capable of holding 8 rounds or more and is of a mind to misuse it... they're hardly going to be put off loading the cylinder to capacity just cos they're not allowed to load more than 7 rounds... Or is there something obvious that I've missed?
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Yes, it's pointless - heartily agreed - no, you haven't missed anything. :rolleyes:
 
FYI: From NY

A: Most handguns are not assault weapons and are not affected by this law. A traditionally designed handgun is not an assault weapon. For example a single shot pistol or a revolver cannot be an assault weapon. To confirm that your handgun is not an assault weapon and to see common models and characteristics click here.

This is from the state guide, and is not the letter of the law. The link to the page is as follows.

http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq?width=550&height=275&inline=true#rifle

You're safe with a 500-round revolver. Single shots and revolvers don't count. The moon clips don't count as "magazines" apparently. I don't know that for sure, though. All it says is that revolvers don't count.
 
Most handguns are not assault weapons and are not affected by this law. A traditionally designed handgun is not an assault weapon. For example a single shot pistol or a revolver cannot be an assault weapon.
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Unfortunately guns that are not considered 'assault weapons' under the new law are also included in the legislation. Handgun capacity is a huge issue. Many people who have called the NY hotline have gotten affirmative answers, including me, that this may indeed affect revolvers, and absolutely DOES effect traditional semi-auto handguns.
 
I'm waiting to see what the chapter amendments look like when the NYS legislature goes to polish this **** of a law. With any luck, they will clarify the status of revolvers, but with how things work in this state I'm not hopeful.
 
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