New York 8 round revolvers?

Is the cylinder considered an integral part of the revolver? You could have a pocket full of cylinders just waiting to drop in. Also speed loaders could be used. This is exactly what happens when people who know nothing of a subject try to make laws regarding said subject.
One of the Legislative woman in NJ (missed her name, think it was Beck) made a comment that "I would hate to see a deer or rabbit shot with a automatic rifle". Although I would tend to agree, automatics or rifles are not legal to hunt with in NJ. Semi auto shotguns are. They are probably the most commonly used deer gun in NJ. Once again she will get to make the law.
 
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But then you ask this... ;)
BTW, with a quick reading - you can have higher capacity mags in antique guns? Meaning 50 years or older. That's 1963. So Browning Hi-powers are legit if made before then? They seem evil to me. I'm confused... SW Model 39 with 8 round mags came out before 1963... Did I miss that you have to download and modify those mags.
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Such mags are theoretically legal, yes, but according to how I read the law, the trick is that you have to somehow prove that the magazine itself (or the revolver cylinder or speedloader... on topic? ;)) is over 50 years old. This is kinda tricky to do with a non-serialized and often completely unmarked sheetmetal doohickey. :(

I pointed out in one of the L&CR threads that Luger P.08 32rd "Trommelmagazin" drum mags are apparently legal, as they have been out of production for well over 50 years. :D
 
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Is the cylinder considered an integral part of the revolver?
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As I read the law, it's irrelevant. IANAL, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't matter what the LCAFD is or isn't attached to, nor how easy or difficult it is to remove and replace; if it's an LCAFD, it's regulated, end of story.

The good news- if you can call it that- is that the LCAFD regulations have a "Curio or Relic" (or, not and!) exception for units over 50 years old, so regardless of how the regulation is finally enacted, pre-1963 rimfire 8-9 shot H&R's, High Standards, etc. should still be legal to bring into NY and won't require registration.
 
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Great comments left here everyone, even the moving part,,,,,,,I dont want alot of people moving here and trying to change my area into the place they just failed and left. I would be worried if I owned a S&W 627 8 shot revolver, we all know how dangerous they are. Bird_Dog, its funny, you would think a simple question would be an easy anwser...Thanks everyone and keep it coming.
 
I just got a return call from the NY State Trooper with whom I spoke via the hotline this morning. Unfortunately it was a voice mail, not a two way communication. Here's what she said regarding revolvers.

"After April 15th, any revolver with a capacity greater than 7 must only be loaded with 7 rounds."

Yes, friends. REVOLVERS.

I can only presume that we can't buy 8+ revolvers any longer, as well.

Bad, bad news.
 
WOW,,,,,that is amazing, So much for you revolver guys thinking it won't affect you. I am in the market for a few Wilson Combat 8 or 10 round mags if you NY guys are interested in selling a few. Will they let the mags that are already in the state stay or are they illegal as of the April 15th date?
 
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Someone in legislature a 1911 fan?
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Remington and Kimber are located in NY. Think about what kind of pistols those companies sell.

I know this seems cynical, but this is a very cynical piece of legislation.
Will they let the mags that are already in the state stay or are they illegal as of the April 15th date?
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Such mags are grandfathered, but they have to be registered, and you still can't put more that seven rounds in them unless you're at a sanctioned competition.
 
Smee from what I read they can keep the mags of up to 10 rounds if they submit the paper work to register them. Only exceptions are Curio and Relics. Those must be registered. Loading them with more than 7 rounds is a felony. All mags that were of greater than 10 rounds that were owned pre 1994 that were registered are on deadline of being illegal. They must sell, destroy, or pemeanantly modify them to where they can only hold 7 rounds without it being able to be changed back.

So it looks like those that obeyed the law to register thier mags are now on the could end up being fellons if they do not comply with the new law list.

It is a very sad day for the law abiding gun owners of New York.

Also now to buy ammo in New York one must go through an NICS background check for any ammo purchases.
 
NO ONE I've read or spoken to is clear on the law !! AFAIK certain things have to happen by April but then some things then change in a year !:confused: Disposing of a gun is very complex too.
In any case I'm sure tha Obama will try to match or beat Cuomo's law.We're due for a very sad time in our county's history. Now do you understand why the DHS has purchased huge amounts of ammo ??:mad:
 
Assault Revolver

Its possible those 8 round 627s with the accessory rails and black matte finish will become media-lamented assault revolvers.
 
Its possible those 8 round 627s with the accessory rails and black matte finish will become media-lamented assault revolvers.
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Very possible. Another one to add to their "weapons of mass destruction". If they saw this they would freak.

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Guys, please keep in mind that there are dozens of questions surrounding the NY SAFE Act, and 30-40 amendments are coming to the law in the near future. I would not be so quick to jump to conclusions.

However, mine and many people's interpretation is that detachable magazines are the only things affected. I do not believe a shotgun or revolver is. There has been a similar question about the Keltec KSG shotgun (14+1 capacity) since we have not been able to have >10 magazines since 1994. I have seen many KSGs sold and no problems. So its the same thing.

This is a great FAQ on the law, from the governor's own website. While it doesn't specifically mention revolvers, it does use the word magazine exclusively, and not cylinder or tube.

http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq
 
IMO, FAQ's & vocal representations from ANYONE in state government will take a decidedly back seat to the letter of the law, once actual enforcement enters the picture - especially the rabid enforcement often exhibited by political ladder-climbers.

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I don't live in New York but I know many people here who are gun owners and solid union people who have (IMO) deluded themselves into believing that Democrats don't want to take their guns away and will be reasonable in their aims and goals. The experience of New York should prove the futility of that belief. New York's law has nothing to do with crime or safety or any semblance of reason. It is purely and simply a sharp stick into the eye of honest, law-abiding, tax paying gun owners for no more reason than to show that they can do it. And it is the crassest example of using a tragedy to further a previously held agenda. Sadly, in New York I understand the legislature is Republican. Still it is clear, to me at least, that you can either vote for gun freedom or you can vote Democratic. You can't do both even though some try.
 
If anything this ban on weapons will encourage an illegal arms trade within new york that will give criminals an environment in which they can exploit the demand that the ban creates.

This is why prohibition is has a tendency to fail.

I don't live in New York, and I am sort of happy I do not. A Smith & Wesson 627 or 2 is on my "guns i want to own one day" list, I know how I would feel if my state either banned them or told me I couldn't keep it fully loaded.
 
Great. I own an 8 round S&W 317. That's a .22. It's not ok to fire on an empty cylinder, firing pin damage. I can't even put in an empty case, that could be misconstrued as being live when I put it in. The plastic snap caps last something like 10 hits. This is gonna be fun. I really wonder how much of a de facto ban this is going to turn out to be.
As far as voting Dem or GOP, it was a Republican senate that knuckled under, and Dean Skelos, the Senate leader and Republican, who has been out front defending this ridiculous law. NYS government is ridiculously dysfunctional, and that has nothing to do with party.
As far as the moving to Texas and yankee remarks, are we really still fighting the civil war? give me a break.
 
Guys, please keep in mind that there are dozens of questions surrounding the NY SAFE Act, and 30-40 amendments are coming to the law in the near future. I would not be so quick to jump to conclusions.
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Wish I could agree with you. It's not jumping to a conclusion when a state trooper answers a hotline specifically set up for these questions, looks into it and calls me back with a reply that revolvers must only be loaded with seven rounds after April 15.

Not jumping, just listening to what a state official had to say. She was decidedly confused on the issue as well, looked into it, and that's the answer she got and relayed to me.

Until we hear otherwise, that's the law of the land as of April 15.
 
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