DonR101395
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Have fun Rich. I'll still trade with you
NEW TSA Travel Restrictions
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DonR101395
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Dreadnought
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I flew from Richmond to Orlando yesterday. I was supposed to be traveling with a gun, but Thursday morning's news made me put a nix on that...
They told us (I was flying with my Pops) to get to the airport two hours ahead of time. Now Richmond is not a huge airport, but the lines could get pretty long. We got there two and half hours ahead of time, checked in our luggage, went up to security and were the second and third people in line. We went through in about five minutes. Then there was the two hour "hurry up and wait!" I didn't feel any safer. I know that anyone with a decent amount of explosives triaining can make a bomb with stuff already on the plane.
All the posturing and regualting by the TSA only gives the American public the illusion of safety. If CWP holders could carry on planes after receiving another permit from the TSA, I would feel a little safer. Why not? CWP holders are afforded other liberties Joe Blow off the street doesn't have (at least in VA the "one gun per month" rule does not apply to anyone with a CWP).
They told us (I was flying with my Pops) to get to the airport two hours ahead of time. Now Richmond is not a huge airport, but the lines could get pretty long. We got there two and half hours ahead of time, checked in our luggage, went up to security and were the second and third people in line. We went through in about five minutes. Then there was the two hour "hurry up and wait!" I didn't feel any safer. I know that anyone with a decent amount of explosives triaining can make a bomb with stuff already on the plane.
All the posturing and regualting by the TSA only gives the American public the illusion of safety. If CWP holders could carry on planes after receiving another permit from the TSA, I would feel a little safer. Why not? CWP holders are afforded other liberties Joe Blow off the street doesn't have (at least in VA the "one gun per month" rule does not apply to anyone with a CWP).
I'm laughing pretty hard at the folks who think "profiling" is a useful idea -- yeah, round up all the ones with brown skin and A-rab soundin' names, 'cos there have never been any pale-skinned bombers, especially no fair-haired, blue- or green-eyed guys with names like "O'Toole." Oh, heck no. That would never happen. The IRA was a happy chowder-and-marching society and the Oklahoma City Federal Building never got blown up.
You don't think the mad bombers of the world wouldn't trade favors to dodge a profile? That there aren't any hard-core radical Muslims who look and talk just like J. Average American from down the street? Hah!
Thing is, for a really determined idiot, there are still plenty of ways to make a mess of an airliner barehanded or using objects that can still be brought aboard. We should be grateful that the terrorist bad guys du jour seem to be sorely lacking in idiots that determined. (And don't ask me for a list of ways and means. Do your own homework).
It's very long odds that bad things will happen when you fly -- but they are not helped by the muddle-headed insistence that we all fly unarmed. For years, this idiocy was fed by sappy faith that if airborne baddies were only given what they wanted -- which was, more often than not, a free trip to that worker's paradise, Cuba -- everything would be Ohhh Kaaaay. Yeah, well, we were shown differently and some of us reacted to that information with blinding speed, so rapidly as to thwart one of the hijackings while the plane was still in the air. A sane government would have figured out that Americans can take care of themselves, and cheered such efforts on. But it didn't happen that way, did it?
Nope, our Great Leaders are taking their cues from the British -- and readers here know what good friends to self-defense the UK's government is. Makes a person wonder just what the future might hold.
You don't think the mad bombers of the world wouldn't trade favors to dodge a profile? That there aren't any hard-core radical Muslims who look and talk just like J. Average American from down the street? Hah!
Thing is, for a really determined idiot, there are still plenty of ways to make a mess of an airliner barehanded or using objects that can still be brought aboard. We should be grateful that the terrorist bad guys du jour seem to be sorely lacking in idiots that determined. (And don't ask me for a list of ways and means. Do your own homework).
It's very long odds that bad things will happen when you fly -- but they are not helped by the muddle-headed insistence that we all fly unarmed. For years, this idiocy was fed by sappy faith that if airborne baddies were only given what they wanted -- which was, more often than not, a free trip to that worker's paradise, Cuba -- everything would be Ohhh Kaaaay. Yeah, well, we were shown differently and some of us reacted to that information with blinding speed, so rapidly as to thwart one of the hijackings while the plane was still in the air. A sane government would have figured out that Americans can take care of themselves, and cheered such efforts on. But it didn't happen that way, did it?
Nope, our Great Leaders are taking their cues from the British -- and readers here know what good friends to self-defense the UK's government is. Makes a person wonder just what the future might hold.
Wyo Cowboy
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Referencing the "Private / Corporate / Charter Aircraft" security regs question.
FAR part 1544- covers all of the avaition security regs. CHARTER aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight of more than 12,500 pounds. Any charter aircraft which has a max TOW of 12,500 or less is not subject to TSA operated/approved security unless it is operating into or out of a "secure" part of the airport (read TERMINAL). Scheduled charter (ClubMed, Gambling charters, etc) with passenger seating of 61 or more requires airline style TSA screening and less than 61 seats it is required for flights using a "secure" area. "Small" charter aircraft can't cause as much damage as an airliner or large cargo plane (note: I said AS MUCH). Private and corporate aircraft are exempt for a few reasons... 1) Light aircraft are usually flow by the owner(s). 2) Corporate aircraft carry many of the same people most of the time and the crew know them or visitors are the guest of a frequent passenger.
My personal guess is that the restriction on liquids and gels will remain but be modified. My GUESS is that small (hotel sized) bottles of toiletries will soon be permitted. Forget bringing your two liter water, the BigGulp and your big shampoo bottles (with my hair style that's not a problem
). Again, my guess is that eventually a Starbucks, soft drink, bottled water bought inside of security may be allowed.
FAR part 1544- covers all of the avaition security regs. CHARTER aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight of more than 12,500 pounds. Any charter aircraft which has a max TOW of 12,500 or less is not subject to TSA operated/approved security unless it is operating into or out of a "secure" part of the airport (read TERMINAL). Scheduled charter (ClubMed, Gambling charters, etc) with passenger seating of 61 or more requires airline style TSA screening and less than 61 seats it is required for flights using a "secure" area. "Small" charter aircraft can't cause as much damage as an airliner or large cargo plane (note: I said AS MUCH). Private and corporate aircraft are exempt for a few reasons... 1) Light aircraft are usually flow by the owner(s). 2) Corporate aircraft carry many of the same people most of the time and the crew know them or visitors are the guest of a frequent passenger.
My personal guess is that the restriction on liquids and gels will remain but be modified. My GUESS is that small (hotel sized) bottles of toiletries will soon be permitted. Forget bringing your two liter water, the BigGulp and your big shampoo bottles (with my hair style that's not a problem
). Again, my guess is that eventually a Starbucks, soft drink, bottled water bought inside of security may be allowed.Restrictions loosened
http://www.tsa.gov/press/releases/2006/press_release_08132006.shtm
Small doses of liquid medications permitted
Shoes removal required
Low blood sugar treatments including glucose gel for diabetics permitted
Clarifications include: aerosols prohibited, solid lipstick and baby food permitted.
http://www.tsa.gov/press/releases/2006/press_release_08132006.shtm
Small doses of liquid medications permitted
Shoes removal required
Low blood sugar treatments including glucose gel for diabetics permitted
Clarifications include: aerosols prohibited, solid lipstick and baby food permitted.