New trend. SA striker fired guns with no manaul safety

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Not sure if I approve of this. To me that becomes a dangerous situation when new shooters are packing guns with such light creep free triggers with no manual safety
 
The only light and relatively creep free trigger I can think of is the Soviet TT-33 Mil Surp. What pistols are you referring to, exactly?
 
This "new trend" is about 35 years old. Glocks were adopted by Austrian military and police forces in 1982. No light and creep free trigger on a Glock but the basic idea is the same; keep the booger hook off the noise switch.
 
The only SA striker fired gun with no manual safety that I'm aware of is the Springfield XD. Glock, S&W, and all others that I'm aware of are DOA.
 
The SA XD's have that grip safety on them.

I wouldn't say it's a new trend, but there is a much larger surge striker fired guns lately.

I will admit, I do feel a little bit uneasy sometimes with some of my striker guns, and feel a little more comfortable with double/single action triggers, but that is more of a preference thing, not a condemnation of people who do carry them. I just tend to be clumsy sometimes, and take steps to protect myself from... myself haha.
 
This "new trend" is about 35 years old.
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Not to discourage you polaris joe (and really, welcome to the forum) but as the above quote says this is hardly a new trend.

What pushes me into 'shrug, it's okay not to have a manual safety' camp is the huge number of law enforcement agencies that have taken to these guns.

There are reports of 'Glock Leg' but if there was anything like even a 1% chance of this happening our law enforcement squad rooms would be running red with blood. While I'm not a Glock fanboy I have drunk the Kool-Aid as far as the Glocks not needing a manual safety lever on them. As always, this is just an opinion and worth what you paid for it.
 
Be careful what you wish for. There are many politicians that would love to make a 12LB trigger mandatory like in MA.

I have a Walther PPQ that I love and CCW it at times with no issue. But I use an all kydex holster that also completely protects the trigger guard and I take my time holstering.
 
No matter what the factory may claim the S&W M&P is SA. The H&K VP9 is SA. The Ruger American is SA. Looked at a new Remington recently. It is SA. CZ has a new SA striker fired pistol out.
 
Not sure if I approve of this.
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The reality is it doesn't need your approval.

The majority of NDs of which I've read involve people pressing triggers on what are assumed to be unloaded pistols. As someone that has had a ND with a DA/SA pistol that had a manual safety and a magazine disconnect I remain unconvinced that in those situations the trigger itself, or even a manual safety, will prevent a ND. Yes we can come up with other situations that aren't those, but at that point the user becomes the biggest factor.

As others have pointed out, striker fired pistols sans safeties are hardly new and if anything they're more popular than ever (even if you don't personally like them I think the sales figures would back me up on that). I think we're going to be just as safe as we've been for decades.
 
No matter what the factory may claim the S&W M&P is SA. The H&K VP9 is SA. The Ruger American is SA. Looked at a new Remington recently. It is SA. CZ has a new SA striker fired pistol out.
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And the weights and trigger travel lengths on those pistols are not radically different than a Glock, which seems to be okay to you. All of these pistols have drop safeties so what does the amount of pre-cock of the striker mechanism really matter if the resulting trigger pulls are not radically different?
 
Not wanting to ban anything. I was pointing out that recently there are several SA pistons out there with very light triggers and no manual safety.
 
And these pistols have radically different triggers than Glocks. Much lighter and shorter trigger pulls
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They really don't. Some have shorter travel, some have slightly lighter pulls. But it frankly isn't as dramatic as you're claiming. As someone that has owned both Glocks and M&Ps, all of the M&Ps I owned had pulls noticeably stiffer than my Glocks in terms of weight.
 
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They really don't. Some have shorter travel, some have slightly lighter pulls. But it frankly isn't as dramatic as you're claiming. As someone that has owned both Glocks and M&Ps, all of the M&Ps I owned had pulls significantly stiffer than my Glocks in terms of weight.
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I agree. My PPQ has significantly longer take up than my Glock 19. While a lot complain about that with the PPQ I prefer it for CCW reasons.

If someone jerked a trigger on a pistol due to a startled response I seriously doubt the trigger weight between a Glock 19 and something with a 1LB lighter trigger will make any difference.
 
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