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fatwhiteboy
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603Country- I have a .22-250 Browning 1885. My most accurate load for it is 52gr SMK HPBT with 38.5gr of 4064... Small world....
FrankenMauser
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How is it my fault that you provided incorrect information?
The difference between a BC of .235 and .285, to me, is insignificant. When you start comparing BCs of .235 and something like .385, you'll have a better argument.
How do the smaller calibers suffer from lack of BC capability?
They have the capability. Whether or not they achieve the high BC is just a matter of producing the bullet.
Speaking in extreme generalities here: Long bullet = high BC.
In .10, .12, and .14 calibers, the standard IS the long bullet. .17 caliber is where things get ugly with low(er) BCs, but that's mostly due to the market being recently saturated with light/short bullets.
There is no embarrassment on my end. I simply want you to support your claims.
mrawesome22
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Some people will never admit that there is something better than what they own.
Reminds me of a guy that dated my sister. Whatever he owned was better than what you owned and there was no reasoning or having an intelligent debate with him.
The whole family agreed he was a ninkompoop.
Luckily she dumped him.
Reminds me of a guy that dated my sister. Whatever he owned was better than what you owned and there was no reasoning or having an intelligent debate with him.
The whole family agreed he was a ninkompoop.
Luckily she dumped him.
And now for a quick trip down memory lane . . . or more precisely, to the Hornady website.
Hornady .224" 55 gr SP- BC= .235
Hornady .204" 45 gr SP- BC-.245
Compared apples to apples, flat base to flat base.
And the difference is? 4%. Insignificant. I can top that by simply going to a BT bullet or to the VMax.
Yes, the 20 Tactical, 204 Ruger, etc, are impressive, but not so much more than a 22-250 or a 220 Swift can achieve that they will obsolete those any time soon. But I think the 20s are cool, and I may get one sometime soon. They use short, small bolt face actions, which should make for a more portable rifle, at least until you hang a bull barrel on it. Same as another smallbore wonder, the .17 Remington. It came out of the hole as the world's fastest cartridge, but it's not exactly setting the world on fire right now . . .
Scorch, we're not talking the 45gr we're talking the 40VMAX and for that matter the Nosler at a 295BC and not only are they significant they are at the epicenter of the 20cal revelution you seem cluless about. My suggestion is find any issue on Small caliber arms that has a wealth of information about some of these calibers such as 20TAC, 20Vartarg, 20PPC, etc. Go to Saubier.com and educate yourself. Follow some of the fur forums where guys are dropping Coyotes out to actually 600yards and then give me the "insignificant" schpeel again. Better yet give Todd Kindler [Woodchuck Den] a call and spend 5 minutes having him explain why he invented the 20TAC and others. Trust me, your in the deep end of the pool here, I've given you plenty of reference to evaluate so unless your a hard headed 8th grader, go check'em out.
Ralph Allen
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2 pages back the OP wanted to know about accuracy in the Swift. My Swift shoots .3 MOA all day, as long as I clean every 20 rounds or so. Have taken prarie dogs out past 700 yards. Have also had Hornady SXSP bullets disentigrate before 100 yards. I now only use these in 223 velocities. My favorite loads use H380 powder behind a 55 VMAX.
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FrankenMauser
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Tim S, you're giving us references that are entirely driven, written, and published by small-bore nuts. It's just opinion.
The Saubier forums are hardly any different than TFL. It's just a bunch of guys on the internet... that happen to like small calibers (biased
). I've been a member on those forums since 2007, when I was first trying to track down some .17 and/or .22 CCM brass. Even if they created the biggest loser of a cartridge, of the last century; the guys on the Saubier forums would still praise it, because it's small caliber.
I'm not seeing the revolution.
All I've seen, is more former .17 caliber shooters switching to .20 caliber, because the .204 Ruger (and resurrection of 5mm Rem Mag) gave them a better selection of projectiles. When Hornady releases a few new bullets to support their factory offerings of .17 Hornet, those shooters will drop the .20 caliber cartridges.
If you like the .20s, that's fine.
If you think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, that's fine.
....But .20 caliber doesn't make sense, for many of us.
And it isn't a revolution, unless it turns the world upside down. Right now, the only world that has been effected, is that of the small bore guys that are playing "musical barrels" with their rifles.
The Saubier forums are hardly any different than TFL. It's just a bunch of guys on the internet... that happen to like small calibers (biased
). I've been a member on those forums since 2007, when I was first trying to track down some .17 and/or .22 CCM brass. Even if they created the biggest loser of a cartridge, of the last century; the guys on the Saubier forums would still praise it, because it's small caliber.I'm not seeing the revolution.
All I've seen, is more former .17 caliber shooters switching to .20 caliber, because the .204 Ruger (and resurrection of 5mm Rem Mag) gave them a better selection of projectiles. When Hornady releases a few new bullets to support their factory offerings of .17 Hornet, those shooters will drop the .20 caliber cartridges.
If you like the .20s, that's fine.
If you think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, that's fine.
....But .20 caliber doesn't make sense, for many of us.
And it isn't a revolution, unless it turns the world upside down. Right now, the only world that has been effected, is that of the small bore guys that are playing "musical barrels" with their rifles.
I will admit I am clueless about the 20s, but you seem to be as well. I am not sure where you are getting your BC numbers, but a quick visit to the manufacturers' website will clear up any uncertainty about the BC of the bullet in question:
40 gr Hornady VMax- BC .275
40 gr Nosler BT- BC .239
40 gr Berger (well known for their high BC bullets)- BC .225
I can easily match those in 22 caliber. But I do like the fact that the 20s achieve their velocities with so little powder, and their performance seems to be quite impressive.
And as far as reading firearms publications (aka "gun rags"), I am far beyond being impressed by developers' claims of cartridge performance. You see, not being an 8th grader does have its advantages. Besides, since I build rifles, I like to tell my clients the truth about things, that way they will come back happy.
Hunter Customs
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I have a friend that just bought a Ruger 220 swift, nice looking rifle.
The other day he shot a coyote standing broadside to him at 228 yards, slammed the coyote down but the coyote jumped up and ran off.
He hit the coyote square in the shoulder but the bullet blew up and did not penetrate. You could see what appeared to be a 6 inch circle of raw meat on the coyotes shoulder as the coyote was running off.
The ammo he was using was factory Hornady, loaded with a 50 gr Spire Point.
Now he's talking about loading his own ammo and reducing the velocity to 22-250 specs, that kind of takes away the reason to have a 220 swift.
I told him if he wants to keep the velocity up there he might want to try some bullets with heavier jackets, like Sierra Game King bullets.
Best Regards
Bob Hunter
www.huntercustoms.com
The other day he shot a coyote standing broadside to him at 228 yards, slammed the coyote down but the coyote jumped up and ran off.
He hit the coyote square in the shoulder but the bullet blew up and did not penetrate. You could see what appeared to be a 6 inch circle of raw meat on the coyotes shoulder as the coyote was running off.
The ammo he was using was factory Hornady, loaded with a 50 gr Spire Point.
Now he's talking about loading his own ammo and reducing the velocity to 22-250 specs, that kind of takes away the reason to have a 220 swift.
I told him if he wants to keep the velocity up there he might want to try some bullets with heavier jackets, like Sierra Game King bullets.
Best Regards
Bob Hunter
www.huntercustoms.com
How come every time a post is made requesting for info on a specific caliber, there is always someone who chimes in about how their preferance in a different caliber is so much better than the one the OP had a question about?
Attemps to get the topic back on conversation are met with more "mine is better" attitude name calling.
The OP was wanting info on his new .220 Swift, not .20's or even .17's.
Personaly, I find my Swift to be a joy to shoot with 55gr bullets loaded for 3600-3700 fps. The OP should try some different bullet/powder combs to find the stuff his gun likes. The he should be encouraged to enjoy his new rifle because owning a Swift is fun!
P.S. If a member thinks .20's are the cats' meow, start a new thread and people with .20's can discuss their merits.
Attemps to get the topic back on conversation are met with more "mine is better" attitude name calling.
The OP was wanting info on his new .220 Swift, not .20's or even .17's.
Personaly, I find my Swift to be a joy to shoot with 55gr bullets loaded for 3600-3700 fps. The OP should try some different bullet/powder combs to find the stuff his gun likes. The he should be encouraged to enjoy his new rifle because owning a Swift is fun!
P.S. If a member thinks .20's are the cats' meow, start a new thread and people with .20's can discuss their merits.
603Country
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Wyoredman, that was well said!
And Fatwhiteboy, I got my load info (38.5 gr of IMR4064) from a Shooting Times from the middle 1970's. The article said that 220's love 4064 and that it seemed that 38.5 grains was an almost magic amount. So...I worked my way to that and sure enough...Been using it ever since, and it was great in the first barrel and the second barrel. I guess I could try a new powder, but I can't really think of a reason to do so.
And Fatwhiteboy, I got my load info (38.5 gr of IMR4064) from a Shooting Times from the middle 1970's. The article said that 220's love 4064 and that it seemed that 38.5 grains was an almost magic amount. So...I worked my way to that and sure enough...Been using it ever since, and it was great in the first barrel and the second barrel. I guess I could try a new powder, but I can't really think of a reason to do so.
How come every time a post is made requesting for info on a specific caliber, there is always someone who chimes in about how their preferance in a different caliber is so much better than the one the OP had a question about?
That's because in post #4 we have the customary 220/velocity post that does not hold up.......apparantly unless we have a 28" tight bore Kreiger.
I have yet to see the back up in support of my claim that by and large 220 factory guns have pretty much the same velocity as a 22-250. This is the primary reason it's about dead as a factory offering. Hey fella's don't kill the messenger, I didn't kill it.
You want more objective info on the 20's go to 6mmbr.com which is a pretty respected source of data...read up, educate yourself.
The main difference here which is indicative of a lot of internet experience is that I've heard from nobody that has any real world experience shooting any of these sub calibers.... I have, right down to .14's. The 19's and 20's are for real folks. They're for real because they do everything better, wind, drop, accuracy, ease on barrels, higher efficiency, cleaner kills, less recoil, less noise. I mean really.....is there anything at all left out.
And FYI the 17CCM is a great little cartridge and brass is around if you work a bit. 20 grain Bergers @3200fps with 9.2 gr of AA1680. Come on, how do you not love that??? Think of it as an HMR on steroids.
That's because in post #4 we have the customary 220/velocity post that does not hold up.......apparantly unless we have a 28" tight bore Kreiger.
I have yet to see the back up in support of my claim that by and large 220 factory guns have pretty much the same velocity as a 22-250. This is the primary reason it's about dead as a factory offering. Hey fella's don't kill the messenger, I didn't kill it.
You want more objective info on the 20's go to 6mmbr.com which is a pretty respected source of data...read up, educate yourself.
The main difference here which is indicative of a lot of internet experience is that I've heard from nobody that has any real world experience shooting any of these sub calibers.... I have, right down to .14's. The 19's and 20's are for real folks. They're for real because they do everything better, wind, drop, accuracy, ease on barrels, higher efficiency, cleaner kills, less recoil, less noise. I mean really.....is there anything at all left out.
And FYI the 17CCM is a great little cartridge and brass is around if you work a bit. 20 grain Bergers @3200fps with 9.2 gr of AA1680. Come on, how do you not love that??? Think of it as an HMR on steroids.
WildBill45
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Back in my Colorado prairie dog hunting days I had a Remington custom KS .220 swift, 10X. I loved that rifle, but tired of blowing up prairie dogs and sold it!
OP, I hope you enjoy your Swift! This little darling has been around for 77 years and is still being chambered by a modern manufacturers! Reloading supplies and tools for the Swft are readily available and so is factory ammo. Contrary to some discussion, the Swift IS a excellent gun to shoot and handload for.
As I write this, I am loading some 55 gr Sierra Blitzkings into some new Winchester brass. I hope to catch a few coyotes wandering the sage tomorrow.
Hope the wind isn't blowing 30mph! If it is, I will take my .270!
As I write this, I am loading some 55 gr Sierra Blitzkings into some new Winchester brass. I hope to catch a few coyotes wandering the sage tomorrow.
Hope the wind isn't blowing 30mph! If it is, I will take my .270!