g.willikers
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You just have to know how to sell it to her.
Like "When I'm at the range, at least you will know where I am, off the streets and out of the bars."
new shotty for trap
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Like "When I'm at the range, at least you will know where I am, off the streets and out of the bars."
Sorry, Jim, missed this earlier
Basically, it is an A400 with all of the features of the Fabarm semi - adjustable rib, comb, extended charging handle, oversized bolt release, etc.
All of the "extras" basically double an A400 price and approach basic "B" gun O/U territory at $3K. There IS a new version due at the end of the year - this I know because a friend has offered me his blue smurf gun because he is going to get the new Fabarm. If all of the extra stuff allows you to custom fit this gun to your style, then it would be worth it; if you don't need all of that, that double the cost won't buy an extra target.
Personally, I really wish Beretta would have a 70mm shim for the A400
Blindstitch
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That's a horribly nice gun that makes a lot look like boat paddles.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/585161383
I load up low velocity 15/16 ounce loads and they just absolutely smoke the targets if I center them in the pattern and are super pleasant to shoot. I realized a long time ago that recoil and noise does not break targets. You don't need 1 1/8 ounces of shot, you don't need 1290 fps muzzle velocity.
Just to make sure we haven't confused the daylights out of you....a couple of points...
Your original post said you liked the Maxis....but if you meant the Browning Maxus, it is a gas operated semi-auto ---- not an inertia gun....
16 ga....has mostly gone away because there are no competitions shot with a 16ga ( only 12ga, 20ga, 28ga and .410 ).....and while I still have a 3 shot, bolt action, 16ga in my safe...it was a present about 55 yrs ago and I killed at least a ton of grouse with it...../ ...there are not many 16 ga's made because the demand is so low .... / ballistically, the 16ga traditionally fired a 1oz shell.../ today it's really easy to buy 1 oz shells in 12ga or 20ga, so the 16ga got squeezed out of the mix....still around for nostalgia, but not many guns made in 16ga anymore...( Browning BPS hunter model pump gun is one of the few I know of still made in a 16ga....and a couple in the Citori line as well....and the new line of A5's, but it's a recoil operated inertia type system...).
Getting beat up by a shotgun ...is not a matter of Manning up.....i'm 6' 5" and a "comfortable" 290 ....but a poorly fitting shotgun will beat the stuffing out of me if it doesn't fit right ...too much angle on comb will push the meat in my face up against my cheek bone and beat the heck out of me....vs recoiling under that cheekbone like it should, poor shooting fundamentals - bad elbow positions will let the stock crab down my bicep and bruise it....all of which is fixable.........by understanding "fit" and stock dimensions you need.
I'm a big Browning Citori fan.... but 80% of the Citori line of guns don't fit me ( lightning, the 725 field or sporting etc...) because they beat me up - because they have angled combs and too much drop at Heel..../ where the XT Trap, 725 Skeet with adjustable comb, the old XS Skeet model...fit me great....and I can shoot 200 shells a day, with no pain...../ so you have to figure out what works for you...
Go to your local club...talk to the competition shooters about Fit.....Trap and Skeet shooters will both tell you how they figured it out / how to check a gun .....before you buy, talk to them about Skeet vs Trap guns....weight, barrel length, etc..../ and look at some videos, or dvd's on gun mount, swing fundamentals.....and have fun with the process....
Your original post said you liked the Maxis....but if you meant the Browning Maxus, it is a gas operated semi-auto ---- not an inertia gun....
16 ga....has mostly gone away because there are no competitions shot with a 16ga ( only 12ga, 20ga, 28ga and .410 ).....and while I still have a 3 shot, bolt action, 16ga in my safe...it was a present about 55 yrs ago and I killed at least a ton of grouse with it...../ ...there are not many 16 ga's made because the demand is so low .... / ballistically, the 16ga traditionally fired a 1oz shell.../ today it's really easy to buy 1 oz shells in 12ga or 20ga, so the 16ga got squeezed out of the mix....still around for nostalgia, but not many guns made in 16ga anymore...( Browning BPS hunter model pump gun is one of the few I know of still made in a 16ga....and a couple in the Citori line as well....and the new line of A5's, but it's a recoil operated inertia type system...).
Getting beat up by a shotgun ...is not a matter of Manning up.....i'm 6' 5" and a "comfortable" 290 ....but a poorly fitting shotgun will beat the stuffing out of me if it doesn't fit right ...too much angle on comb will push the meat in my face up against my cheek bone and beat the heck out of me....vs recoiling under that cheekbone like it should, poor shooting fundamentals - bad elbow positions will let the stock crab down my bicep and bruise it....all of which is fixable.........by understanding "fit" and stock dimensions you need.
I'm a big Browning Citori fan.... but 80% of the Citori line of guns don't fit me ( lightning, the 725 field or sporting etc...) because they beat me up - because they have angled combs and too much drop at Heel..../ where the XT Trap, 725 Skeet with adjustable comb, the old XS Skeet model...fit me great....and I can shoot 200 shells a day, with no pain...../ so you have to figure out what works for you...
Go to your local club...talk to the competition shooters about Fit.....Trap and Skeet shooters will both tell you how they figured it out / how to check a gun .....before you buy, talk to them about Skeet vs Trap guns....weight, barrel length, etc..../ and look at some videos, or dvd's on gun mount, swing fundamentals.....and have fun with the process....
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But those 1-1/8 oz loads WILL lead to an eventual flinch. Where I live, I see the old trap shooters who have been shooting for decades - and they all use release triggers due to flinches brought on by heavy loads. There's no need for them. 3/4, 7/8, or even 1oz will save your shoulder some wear and tear and still break targets - it only takes three pellets to break a standard target.
Yea but I like to see em turn into smoke.
Lately, I've been playing around with 1090 fps 1 1/8 ounce loads. 16 grains Red Dot, WAA-12 wad, AA hull. They are reasonably pleasant to shoot.
I'm headed out to the Bexar Community shooting range this AM to shoot 100 singles and 100 handicap. I'm going to shoot those 1 1/8 ounce loads in the handicap event and see how they work out.
If they aren't "the answer", I'll go back to my old reliable, but you gotta be careful not to blame or credit the load when the results were mostly your fault.
Lately, I've been playing around with 1090 fps 1 1/8 ounce loads. 16 grains Red Dot, WAA-12 wad, AA hull. They are reasonably pleasant to shoot.
I'm headed out to the Bexar Community shooting range this AM to shoot 100 singles and 100 handicap. I'm going to shoot those 1 1/8 ounce loads in the handicap event and see how they work out.
If they aren't "the answer", I'll go back to my old reliable, but you gotta be careful not to blame or credit the load when the results were mostly your fault.
Ridgerunner665
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The Winchester 101 Ultimate Field from Bass Pro is the best buy going in a decent over under right now...
$1,049...
It is the exact same action as the FN you were looking at, and based on reviews (and owning one myself) they are a very good shotgun at a very good price.
I'm shooting 7/8 ounce #8 at 1,235 fps reloads and smashing everything quite well (16 yard trap and skeet).
$1,049...
It is the exact same action as the FN you were looking at, and based on reviews (and owning one myself) they are a very good shotgun at a very good price.
I'm shooting 7/8 ounce #8 at 1,235 fps reloads and smashing everything quite well (16 yard trap and skeet).
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Jim I am willing to bet my soreness is in oart at least how im holding the gun. Being new and not having anytime to practice at my own pace yet I have not had time to get comfortable with it. Im always in a rush to load and shoot I haven't had time to work on that basic but I will next time out. Thanks for the insight.
Ridge ,same action as the FN for half the price, cant beat that deal!
Jim I am willing to bet my soreness is in oart at least how im holding the gun. Being new and not having anytime to practice at my own pace yet I have not had time to get comfortable with it. Im always in a rush to load and shoot I haven't had time to work on that basic but I will next time out. Thanks for the insight.
Ridge ,same action as the FN for half the price, cant beat that deal!
Enoughgun - see if this helps at all:
https://support.remington.com/General_Information/Trap_Shooting_Fundamentals_Handbook
https://support.remington.com/General_Information/Trap_Shooting_Fundamentals_Handbook