New Ruger American pistol. Why?
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Carl the Floor Walker
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The bottom line I get from this whole thread is basically, there really is not a whole lot of difference between the RAP and The SR series. However the size of the guns appear significantly different. Thanks for the great info. However, I will give my trust and faith with the many satisfied owner's that and have shot them for many years including myself.. However I would advise to do your own research rather than just take the word of a few posters or experts.
Here is a nice review. Look at the size of the two in comparison. If you really like a big gun then go with the RAP. If you like the slimmer light gun, 23 vs 30 ounces then maybe SR9C is the right choice and still a very mild shooter. Also check out the video in the review of Hickcock45, note how he talks about the size. Also ask on the Ruger forum. Many owners over that that can give you a great review and comparison.
And as I have mentioned may CZ's and Beretta's Military Police are coming into the market, like the Beretta 92 on Buds. Maybe a better choice.
https://shootingmystery.com/ruger-american-pistol-vs-sr9-review-comparision/
Here is a nice review. Look at the size of the two in comparison. If you really like a big gun then go with the RAP. If you like the slimmer light gun, 23 vs 30 ounces then maybe SR9C is the right choice and still a very mild shooter. Also check out the video in the review of Hickcock45, note how he talks about the size. Also ask on the Ruger forum. Many owners over that that can give you a great review and comparison.
And as I have mentioned may CZ's and Beretta's Military Police are coming into the market, like the Beretta 92 on Buds. Maybe a better choice.
https://shootingmystery.com/ruger-american-pistol-vs-sr9-review-comparision/
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What in the world was that? The review is terrible. Was this a translation from another language? The English is terrible, and the phrasing is very strange. Then how about the pictures...? I thought this was a Ruger American VS. Ruger SR9c. The first picture is a Springfield and an SR, the last picture is a Glock and an SR. WTH?
Im going to stay out of the SR vs. American debate, even though I have both the compact versions in 9mm. Both are excellent pistols. I prefer the American
Carl the Floor Walker
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I suspect it was the video's by Hickcock45 and sootch00 that you did not like. Obviously the first pic was just a standard pic and not related to the actual story. Regardless, the review was not meant to win any awards for writing and sorry they do not meet your standards, however it was simply to show basic differences which of the two guns in size and the videos alone should have been enough. . The review was from some blog I know nothing about the reviewer, but see no need to slam him.
The review was very basic concise, no opinion other than to say "they are both great guns". The review from Hickcock45 seemed like he was not very excited about the gun and sootch00 gave a great review of the SR9. Thank you for your comment.
OK, you did not like that review, and obviously those video's, so here is another.
Be sure to watch the "rap" up and pay attention the the rear of the RAP, Enjoy! Interested future owners might be interested in the "hand bite" which does seem to be a common complaint. This video will show the rear of the RAP very closely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxqL9L-0sN8
The review was very basic concise, no opinion other than to say "they are both great guns". The review from Hickcock45 seemed like he was not very excited about the gun and sootch00 gave a great review of the SR9. Thank you for your comment.
OK, you did not like that review, and obviously those video's, so here is another.
Be sure to watch the "rap" up and pay attention the the rear of the RAP, Enjoy! Interested future owners might be interested in the "hand bite" which does seem to be a common complaint. This video will show the rear of the RAP very closely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxqL9L-0sN8
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polaris joe
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They have little in common when it comes to their internal design. The new gun is a single action completely pre-cocked design.
Carl the Floor Walker
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I see where Ruger calls it a "Pre-tensioned striker system". I haven't shot the gun, so maybe the trigger is better. Not a big point, as I love the SR9 trigger. I think the pistol should be a fine pistol, my gripe was the fact that I believe the SR9C is a great gun, and I wouldprefer a slimmer pistol. Maybe the RAP will replace the SR series like the expert alluded to. I could not tell you. Really makes no difference to myself as I believe the SR will out live me. I think it would be a shame that shooter's that prefer a slimmer grip and a gun that weighs considerably less would be out. I am composing a letter to the CEO to inquire if it is true that the SR series will in fact be phased out. I guess if it is, then we will start to see some very good deals on the gun. Much like the LCP Gen 2 can be bought for around $179. If so, I might just get another one.
Roscoe - I thought so, too.
I wonder something about the RAP9 (and other pistols with fully tensioned strikers). One reviewer on YouTube noted that the striker spring on a RAP9 was considerably "softer" than the striker spring on a Glock, and could be moved fairly easily with one's thumb, unlike the Glock. I have never concerned myself over leaving my Hi Power cocked and locked, partly due to its rather massive 32 pound mainspring. But, Ruger's own FAQ recommends not leaving a spring cocked for extended periods so can a RAP9 be left chamber-loaded for home defense for extended periods of time without concern? A Glock certainly has proven itself over time, has a stiffer striker spring apparently, and also is only about 60% pre-tensioned.
I loathe raising the whole debate about springs again, but do wonder about this single case.
I wonder something about the RAP9 (and other pistols with fully tensioned strikers). One reviewer on YouTube noted that the striker spring on a RAP9 was considerably "softer" than the striker spring on a Glock, and could be moved fairly easily with one's thumb, unlike the Glock. I have never concerned myself over leaving my Hi Power cocked and locked, partly due to its rather massive 32 pound mainspring. But, Ruger's own FAQ recommends not leaving a spring cocked for extended periods so can a RAP9 be left chamber-loaded for home defense for extended periods of time without concern? A Glock certainly has proven itself over time, has a stiffer striker spring apparently, and also is only about 60% pre-tensioned.
I loathe raising the whole debate about springs again, but do wonder about this single case.
Carl the Floor Walker
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As a Ruger fan for years, I personally am moving away from Some Ruger products and after owning one particular product found a better and it became a kind of "Awakening" in the fact that maybe there are other products that require a serious look.
I guess the RAP and similar triggers are the new vogue. Not sure if I can get on the band wagon. I have been having serious thoughts about my loved LC9S. Great gun, great trigger, but at around 4 1/2 lbs of trigger pull and not much take up, forces me too maybe consider something else for CCW. Considering the Kahr Cm9. (after owning the Cm380).Maybe even the Nano.
Obviously Ruger IMO seems to be going to the Rap trigger design etc. I do like the fact that it is modular. Something I love on the Pico and even the future new Spectrum has caught on to this design.
So where will Ruger go if they discontinue the SR series? I guess the RAP will be the main option. The only other option would be the LC9S. From 30 ounces down to 17. Or a third option, start getting more serious at checking out other manufacturers.
Never been a fan of Glocks, nothing bad or good. Have shot plenty, like them, but just never wanted to purchase one. Maybe that will change.
I guess the RAP and similar triggers are the new vogue. Not sure if I can get on the band wagon. I have been having serious thoughts about my loved LC9S. Great gun, great trigger, but at around 4 1/2 lbs of trigger pull and not much take up, forces me too maybe consider something else for CCW. Considering the Kahr Cm9. (after owning the Cm380).Maybe even the Nano.
Obviously Ruger IMO seems to be going to the Rap trigger design etc. I do like the fact that it is modular. Something I love on the Pico and even the future new Spectrum has caught on to this design.
So where will Ruger go if they discontinue the SR series? I guess the RAP will be the main option. The only other option would be the LC9S. From 30 ounces down to 17. Or a third option, start getting more serious at checking out other manufacturers.
Never been a fan of Glocks, nothing bad or good. Have shot plenty, like them, but just never wanted to purchase one. Maybe that will change.
arquebus357
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I didn't care for the full sized model but when Ruger offered the compact version, I picked one up. I do not carry so I don't mind the pistol's heft at all. Actually for an old guy, it makes for a more pleasant shooter. I opted for the safety equipped model. I think the trigger is very nice for this class of handguns.
I have read complaints about the pistol's appearance. Frankly, all the polymer framed pistols in this class are pretty ugly. The RAP has lots of surface entertainment in it's design. Sort of like a steampunk 9mm semi-auto. For beauty I can always pull out my newly rust blued Star BM with it's maple burl grip panels.
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I have read complaints about the pistol's appearance. Frankly, all the polymer framed pistols in this class are pretty ugly. The RAP has lots of surface entertainment in it's design. Sort of like a steampunk 9mm semi-auto. For beauty I can always pull out my newly rust blued Star BM with it's maple burl grip panels.
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polaris joe
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reynolds357
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I like heavy guns. They shoot better.
carguychris
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The reason is that single-action pistols without manual safeties have long been viewed as unsafe to carry with a loaded chamber.polaris joe said:
I'm very used to a manual safety so I want one on a striker fire pistol. Having a manual safety is also an excuse for me to have the trigger pull lightened up.
reynolds357
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I really don't see how y'all figure a Glock is a single action. Its a double/single that automatically decocks.
The Glock reminds me of a striker-fired version of the Smith and Wesson DAO 3953. The 3953 was DAO but not a true, full DAO because the hammer, like the striker in a Glock, was pre-set by the slide action which made the hammer travel slightly shorter and trigger slightly lighter. In the case of a misfire, it did not have a re-strike capability; the slide had to be manually retracted. It was very similar in that respect to the second generation of the LCP (not the LCP II). A Glock striker is about 60 percent cocked in battery and the trigger pull finishes cocking it. Re-strike is not possible. Very similar to my mind and DAO in my view. A Ruger American, on the other hand, has the striker fully cocked by the slide and pulling the trigger simply releases it. Seems like single-action to me.
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carguychris
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We're not talking about Glocks. We're talking about the Ruger American Pistol (RAP) and other recent striker designs that start much closer to fully cocked than a Glock does.reynolds357 said:
+1, although FWIW, several models of Glock predate the Smith DAO series.Laz said:
As I discussed earlier, AFAIK the Walther P99 and derivatives are the only popular striker pistols that have a true DA trigger with restrike capability. Others exist in a grey area between DA and SA, with the Glock closer to DA, and the RAP closer to SA.