So I went to a local dealer today and he has 2 new old stock Ruger Americans without scope and the rotary magazine in 270, 1 is stainless with a black stock and the other is tan cerakote with a tan camo stock, either for $399. He also has some new American predators green stock black matte finish in 6.5 creedmoor $429 without scope and $569 with a Vortex 4x12. Hmm, decisions, decisions... I don't like his selection of scopes, but I'm leaning toward the stainless 270 and I can pick up a scope later. Although a 6.5 creedmoor has really got my attention, I'm just not found of the American in a predator, it just seems like the barrel is too heavy for the gun and its balanced horribly.