New HR 1022 Assault Weapons Ban - threads merged

I know I'm preaching to the choir but I've got to post it. This is a paper I wrote for a freshman english class while the old ban was still in effect.



The Right to Bear Arms

The Assault Weapons Ban is a bill that was pushed through by President Clinton to begin outlawing all forms of firearms. It was in fact only a baby step in that direction, but then again the first step is the most difficult. Clinton favored this bill because he was Democratic. The Republicans are, for the most part, against most forms of gun control. It is an illogical ban that had no real justification and no positive impact.
What the bill banned was all semi-automatic (one round fired for every pull of the trigger) firearms with any one or more of the following: A bayonet lug, a flash suppressor, a high capacity magazine (holds 10 or more rounds), or a pistol grip stock. None of these affect the lethality of the firearm. Rather they are for aesthetic appeal or comfort for the shooter.
In august of 1966 Charles Whitman climbed to the top of the bell tower at Texas University, and over the span of 96 minutes he killed 16 people and wounded 30. He did this with a bolt-action rifle (a round must be manually rechambered after every shot). While in comparison two gun men in the north Hollywood shootout were covered in full body armor and used several fully automatic (rounds are continually fired while the trigger is held down) rifles injured only 15. This shows that it is not the gun but the willingness and the skill of the shooter.
One argument that pro gun control activists’ use for the assault weapons ban is that there is no use for assault weapons but to kill. This is simply not true. Many people across the United States, including myself, have a perfectly legitimate hobby of target shooting. In all reality, the ban was made as a first and rather minor step towards the ban of all weapons threw out the United States. Politicians realize that if legislation is taken in smaller, incremental steps, the public is less likely to gather strong opposition. The thinking is along the lines of slipping it in quietly, instead of knocking out the competition in one blow.
Many gun control advocates believe placing bans such as this one would reduce crime. This is not true. Gun control only serves to remove purchasing of these guns from law-abiding citizens. These add-ons are still readily available but for a much higher price. Criminals are not going to suddenly stop their illegal ways, simply because what they are doing is against one more law. England has some of the strictest gun controls in the world. There is a ban on virtually all firearms, and yet they also have one of the highest crime rates in the world.
There are several other issues associated with the ban. The ban stated that the only way an assault weapon is illegal is if it was produced after the ban was set in place (1992). This made it so that you could still buy and own assault weapons they just couldn’t be produced after the ban was placed. All this accomplished is millions of our tax dollars down the drain because the ban was lifted September 14th 2004. This made the ban last only 8 years, which had little affect on guns in our society other than the slowing of the demand for U.S. made gun parts.
There are people planning to continue the fight to reinstate the ban and put in effect other useless bans, which will likely result in another waste of the government’s time and money. Americans need to join together and fight to preserve one of the basic principles that our forefathers considered important enough to make the Second Amendment to the Constitution: The Right to Bear Arms.
 
73dodgedart:

A reasonable presentation. There is however, one statement that I disagree with.

You stated that , "Many gun control advocates believe placing bans such as this one would reduce crime."

Why would they believe that, given that where enacted, no gun control law has yet to achieve it's advertised goals, or delivered what was promised for it.

As to the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban, or ANY similar legislation, they never did ban a single "assault weapon" or "assault rifle", since the defining feature of the genre is SELECTIVE FIRE CAPABILITY. None of the rifles covered by the late and unlamented Clinton Ban had this capability and none of the rifles that Rep. Mc Carthy et alia have wet dreams about have it either.

What must never be forgotten is the often stated goals of the anti gun crowd. THE TOTAL PROSCRIPTION OF FIREARMS. Given that they have been telling us about it for years, I find myself curious re the fact that some, even at this late date, do not believe them. How many times must some bve bitten by rattlesnakes before they come to understand that the creature is dangerous?

As to preaching to the choir, I guess that there are worse things.
 
This law would only make things easier for for the people who want to harm us. Show me a country, a group, or anybody dumb enough to try to invade us. There isnt any. Its not only because of our military, it is also because of our people. We are all armed. ( SOme more than others) Can you Imagine A MILITIA TRYING TO INVADE TEXAS, ( yEAH RIGHT!)I served my country in the Military because I believe what what we stand for even though it was under an IDIOT Comander in chief( Ill give you a hint, it rhymes with clinton) . If this ban is put into effect < I will hang my head in shame for serving this country. Banning Semi auto shotguns??@$ come on!! ANd My Garand, and My M1 Carbine? They where my Grandfathers, and My fathers , and now mine. And they will go to my son someday. Dont let this happen people!! This is our History, our hobby, our pastime and possibly our life at stake here.
 
Theres even more bad news

There is talk about a "Sniper Rifle" ban there calling any rifle that can hold 1MOA @100yards with a person sized target a sniper rifle hold your deer rifle near and dear.
 
Gomer1911 writes:

There is talk about a "Sniper Rifle" ban there calling any rifle that can hold 1MOA @100yards with a person sized target a sniper rifle hold your deer rifle near and dear.

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Hadn't heard of that one. Where did you get that?
 
HR 1022 gained 12 co-sponsors yesterday. Mostly the usual suspects and all anti-gun Democrats.

Good news, bad news - the bill still hasn't been assigned to a subcommittee. This could either mean that the bill is dead and going nowhere because Conyers (the anti-gun Chairman of the Committee) is sitting on it or it could mean that he wants to handle the hearings in the full committee with him leading the charge.

Nothing on the House Judiciary schedule in either case so far; but that schedule is usually only updated a few days in advance.
 
From the bill:
SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.

Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `(3)' and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following:

`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--

`(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;

`(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or

`(C) is an antique firearm.'.

What's a "level", where is it located on the firearm, and how does it operate a firearm? ;)
 
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After reading this and many threads on this site, I have really had my eye's opened to things that I never knew was going on. I had no idea how bad things were in IL until today, I can't understand how they get away with making laws that take away our rights and not allow the people to speak. I think the reason that they are getting away with taking our right's away, is because it happens behind closed doors and most Americans just don't know it's going on until after the fact.

Where can I learn more, what site's? Book's? What can the average gun owning American do to make a difference?

Who the hell do these people think they are? After reading some of this, I have to ask myself is this still the good ol' USA?
 
What can the average gun owning American do to make a difference?
You can join the NRA and get ten non-NRA friends to join and they get ten non-NRA friends to join, etc.
You and I, by ourselves, can't be heard in our state capitals or in Washington, D.C. The 900-pound gorilla known as the National Rifle Association is heard very loudly and very clearly in D.C. We join, we send money to the NRA's legislative branch, the ILA, and we educate other gun owners as to the value of our membership. We quit griping about not getting everything we want or think we should have (e.g. "universal CCW for everybody, everywhere!") and concentrate on those bills and legislators who can really hurt us. It takes money to do that and that's why the NRA keeps asking for it! If every gun owner in the USA joined, how many bad bills would get passed? How many good bills would get passed???
Join for a year, join for five, join for life. If you join for life, they won't call you to renew! Will they call for more money. You bet they will because your membership dues don't go to the ILA and they're the only ones who can legally fight the bad guys. It's politics at the worst but we can win, but only if we show a united front. There are people who post on TFL that give aid and comfort to the enemy by bashing the NRA. The other gun organizations are good but they're not that good. Who gets the headlines when gun issues come up? The NRA, not the Second Amendment Foundation.
So, that's what you do to get educated and then fight for our Constitution.
Don
 
There are currently 12 co-sponsors to H.R. 1022

Rep Ackerman, Gary L. [NY-5] - 3/7/2007
Rep Crowley, Joseph [NY-7] - 3/7/2007
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 3/7/2007
Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 3/7/2007
Rep Frank, Barney [MA-4] - 3/7/2007
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 3/7/2007
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 3/7/2007
Rep Meehan, Martin T. [MA-5] - 3/7/2007
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 3/7/2007
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 3/7/2007
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [CA-29] - 3/7/2007
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 3/7/2007
 
Too bad Karma isn't transferable. I'd give up alot of my good Karma to send them some bad Karma.:p

/I'll post the letter from my rep when I get a reply.
 
After reading this and many threads on this site, I have really had my eye's opened to things that I never knew was going on. I had no idea how bad things were in IL until today, I can't understand how they get away with making laws that take away our rights and not allow the people to speak. I think the reason that they are getting away with taking our right's away, is because it happens behind closed doors and most Americans just don't know it's going on until after the fact.

Actually, most of the records are public and easy to find (if tedious to read and follow). I think most Americans have their day to day life to worry about and they don't get alarmed about legislation in Congress unless the TV or Radio tells them to be alarmed. Most gun owners don't act because they aren't aware of what is going on and make no efforts to be informed about what is going on. I remember the pre-internet days of 1994... the only thing news and radio were talking about then was how bad "assault weapons" were. Most of the public got all they knew about politics from those sources.

Joining the NRA is probably the best first step I can think of... they are by no means perfect and they are often slow with information; but at least you will start to know what is going on and what you can do to help and that is the first big step. You've made a commitment to being informed at least.

If you want information that is faster and up-to-date though, you really can't beat the collective efforts of millions of gun owners on places like TFL. The problem is you have to sort the wheat from the chaff and many people aren't used to evaluating their news sources critically - even though it is just as necessary with major news media.

All the usual suspects with some noteable exceptions. Schumer and Feinstein are missing -- for now.

They are both Senators so they can only sponsor a companion bill in the Senate. Schumer used to be a House Rep; but he moved up.

From what I can tell, whether this comes out of committee depends entirely on the House leadership and John Conyers. If either of them want it to come out, the votes are there to bring it out of committee. We know that both Conyers and the House leadership have a strong historical record of voting for gun control at every chance. I can only assume that it isn't coming out because they fear gun owners response at the polls still and they are waiting for a better opportunity to move forward (like the next big shooting story).
 
Emailed my congressmen about it. The problem is how do I get rid of the CA, NY, MA, and IL ones? The vast majority of damage isn't being done by my state.

You don't. Thankfully, in the Senate MT, WY, and ID have the same number of votes as CA, MA, and IL. And considering the razor-thin majority the Democrats hold in the Senate, and the fact that several of the new Democrats that gave them that majority ran on pro-gun platforms in pro-gun states...well, it'll be interesting to see if this gets any traction on that side. I certainly can't see it happening in its current form.
 
Saturday night, I had the opportunity to speak directly with John Doolittle, my congressman, about this bill. He doesn't think it will go too far because attacking the Second Amendment has been very bad juju for the DemonCrats lately. He thinks there will be the usual noise from the far left but the moderates will treat it like a skunk. :eek: Here's hoping that will hold true.
 
That IL. stuff really blows me away, I really can't believe they have been robbing people of their right's for so long and now are going even further and it seems hopeless to fight it after reading those links. I was born and raised in Chicago and have plenty of family and friends still there that have to break the law to protect themselves and enjoy a freedom that should be there's to enjoy.

I'm joining the NRA tonight!
 
jimpeel noted the following:

Quote:
SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.

Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `(3)' and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following:

`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--

`(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;

`(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or

`(C) is an antique firearm.'.
What's a "level", where is it located on the firearm, and how does it operate a firearm?

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Read 3A CAREFULLY

Having read that, and the closing question, following immediately after (C), one wonders as to how much of the taxpayers money is pissed away paying the staff person(s) who wrote this. Perhaps the demonstrated level of ignorance, or stupidity, choose for yourself, might be a saving grace, but then there is the question of how is it that the staff employers get elected to public office.

In case anyone hadn't noticed, the anti gunners, while sometimes idiotic, are serious enemies, intent on doing away with our most basic CIVIL RIGHTS. They aren't likely to give up either. Never forget that. The TOLL FREE number for CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD is 1-866-220-0044. The ladies there will connect callers with any congressional or senate offices desired.
 
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