New Home Defense Shotgun. Help a newbie out?
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Kmar40 wrote:
The ellipsis is a legitimate punctuation used in writing everyday. In fact, the ellipsis is listed in The Chicago Manual of Style and is accepted by the MLA as well.
So . . . not only do you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion at hand, but you also need to study up on the proper use of the English language in formal and informal writing. You also need to learn how to spell.
btw: care to show us where in the forum rules the use of the ellipsis is forbidden?
The ellipsis is a legitimate punctuation used in writing everyday. In fact, the ellipsis is listed in The Chicago Manual of Style and is accepted by the MLA as well.
So . . . not only do you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion at hand, but you also need to study up on the proper use of the English language in formal and informal writing. You also need to learn how to spell.
btw: care to show us where in the forum rules the use of the ellipsis is forbidden?
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waterdog89
New member
Well if yall dont want my views, you dont have to take them. I joined this forum to get questions answered and to help some people out. Its apparent I joined the wrong forum, so bye; especialy you kmar40
, and I'm not a newbie I apparently am just more skilled with a shotgun than you
, and I'm not a newbie I apparently am just more skilled with a shotgun than youNor do I intend to run off anyone either... I simply would like for folks to realize the implications of suggesting a brand new shotgun owner/shooter start off with a double PGO set up... That is like suggesting the right car for a new driver is a 500 horse power corvette 6 speed stick or a 190 mph capable Suzuki Hayabusa that will power wheelie over with just a little jolt of the throttle for a guys first motorcycle ride...
Brent
Brent
Just joined and ran across this whole mess, hope I'm not labeled as a newbie because of this fact. Thought I'd give my thoughts, I own 2 mossberg 500's, one PGO and the other with a tac. stock. The PG is a hoss to handle. I bought it as my first HD gun when I was younger and didnt know anything about them, its still a fun gun. My tac. stock one I bought about a year after and use it instead now. I do have more control with it
Deerslyer, Hey young folks make mistakes when left to their own discretion And as you said the PGO gun is "fun" albeit a "hoss to handle" they are fun as heck! Moreso if you slip some 3 inch nitro turkey loads or 3 inch slugs in the tube before handing it to the local "been there done that" guy who we know hasn't left the county unless he was with his mommy...
Brent
And as you said the PGO gun is "fun" albeit a "hoss to handle" they are fun as heck! Moreso if you slip some 3 inch nitro turkey loads or 3 inch slugs in the tube before handing it to the local "been there done that" guy who we know hasn't left the county unless he was with his mommy...Brent
Katrina Guy
Moderator
hey new guy, along with the advise on a PGO shotgun,
if you take this advise, by all means acquire some dental insurance also, as you may need it! (few youtubes on rambo looking shotguns recoiling in the face, i.e. the mouth!)
Otherwise, get a shotgun with a regular stock, like the rest of us have/use.
Regarding different brands, I prefer the Mossberg layout of controls, especially the slide release lever which I find very easy to access/acquire with no fiddling and without taking my eye off the subject (target) AND without switching hands. I personally find the Mossberg design superior and worth whatever difficiencies in the Mossberg line up, putting up with. You mentioned you are a handgun person, could you imagine having a handgun that you had to switch hands and fiddle with a decock or a safety or slide release? OF course NOT.
The Mossberg "Persauder" (home defense model) comes with a pistol grip so you can put it on and go out to the woods and play with it, again, watch you don't loose some teeth!
if you take this advise, by all means acquire some dental insurance also, as you may need it! (few youtubes on rambo looking shotguns recoiling in the face, i.e. the mouth!)
Otherwise, get a shotgun with a regular stock, like the rest of us have/use.
Regarding different brands, I prefer the Mossberg layout of controls, especially the slide release lever which I find very easy to access/acquire with no fiddling and without taking my eye off the subject (target) AND without switching hands. I personally find the Mossberg design superior and worth whatever difficiencies in the Mossberg line up, putting up with. You mentioned you are a handgun person, could you imagine having a handgun that you had to switch hands and fiddle with a decock or a safety or slide release? OF course NOT.
The Mossberg "Persauder" (home defense model) comes with a pistol grip so you can put it on and go out to the woods and play with it, again, watch you don't loose some teeth!
Katrina Guy
Moderator
I'm with Brent and others, to suggest a newbee (which I actually still am)
opt for a pistol grip only shotgun is insane, poor advise, period. You may be the best shooter in a pgo arrangement of all time, still, to advise a new shotgunner to obtain one is in my humble opinion, poor judgement and poor advise,....reckless.
Hey new guy, 12 gauge shotguns do kick alright, better to kick your shoulder then your face, not counting the pointing aspects, ok.
Poor guy comes in here, in a respectable forum for ligitimate home safety/defense advise and he gets, get yourself a Rambo outfit you can't go wrong. Reckless.
opt for a pistol grip only shotgun is insane, poor advise, period. You may be the best shooter in a pgo arrangement of all time, still, to advise a new shotgunner to obtain one is in my humble opinion, poor judgement and poor advise,....reckless.
Hey new guy, 12 gauge shotguns do kick alright, better to kick your shoulder then your face, not counting the pointing aspects, ok.
Poor guy comes in here, in a respectable forum for ligitimate home safety/defense advise and he gets, get yourself a Rambo outfit you can't go wrong. Reckless.
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Deer slayer, I tried to send this to you via PM but it wouldn't go...
I have a runnin' offer for a week here in the boondocks that would involve mass quantities of field loads and gobs of 00 buck and slugs. From shooting clays hand slung at low and slow to going for precise shots at stationary targets with some tactical use of the shotgun. Not to show anyone up or to brag but to share what I have gleened over the years from others and my own extensive practice. I am no super hot shooter but I am an intentional survivor.
Some folks here that are always replying to these threads saying to keep it normal keep it simple and practice often are either active or retired professionals that have or had to qualify routinely to keep their jobs.
And if you wanna bet that I am not as good as "I brag about"... Just decide how much you want to lose and come on... And if waterdog were to have a loaded gun in his hand I would still make the same offer...
Brent
I have a runnin' offer for a week here in the boondocks that would involve mass quantities of field loads and gobs of 00 buck and slugs. From shooting clays hand slung at low and slow to going for precise shots at stationary targets with some tactical use of the shotgun. Not to show anyone up or to brag but to share what I have gleened over the years from others and my own extensive practice. I am no super hot shooter but I am an intentional survivor.
Some folks here that are always replying to these threads saying to keep it normal keep it simple and practice often are either active or retired professionals that have or had to qualify routinely to keep their jobs.
And if you wanna bet that I am not as good as "I brag about"... Just decide how much you want to lose and come on... And if waterdog were to have a loaded gun in his hand I would still make the same offer...
Brent
Thanks you gentleman, ladies included of there are any here. I have been trying to do research on internet chat forums/discussion boards. I am a gun owner and decided to pick an enviroment that I feel comfortable in and enjoy. I decided to see what would happen if one person said one thing that many disagreed with, look what happened. You all proved my point, better than expected even. Many people feel that a well staffed forum is a safe one, I intended to prove that many staff members let their own personal feelings get in the way of their job. This was a prime example. Dont worry, no personal information will be given out, this was just to prove a point.
Any shotgun is good.
Nodody even mentioned a nice short barrelled Coach Gun
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=coach+gun&aq=f&oq=
Being a lefty I prefer the Mossberg 500 because of where the safety is located compared to the 870 (I had one of these too and it was my 1st gun).
Stay away from the pistol grip. Learn to shoot from the hip. Inside a dwelling is close enough for instintive point shooting with any weapon. When coming around corners take them wide and make sure your muzzle does'nt project around the corner or somebody will grab it from you. Therefore hold it close to your hip and as far back as comfortable. Shoulder it for longer shots then 5 foot.
As far as ammo, see this thread on why I prefer Slugs:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=352415
Do Not use birdshot. Use 00Buck or slug 2 3/4 or 3inch magnum if your shotgun will take it.
Nodody even mentioned a nice short barrelled Coach Gun
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=coach+gun&aq=f&oq=
Being a lefty I prefer the Mossberg 500 because of where the safety is located compared to the 870 (I had one of these too and it was my 1st gun).
Stay away from the pistol grip. Learn to shoot from the hip. Inside a dwelling is close enough for instintive point shooting with any weapon. When coming around corners take them wide and make sure your muzzle does'nt project around the corner or somebody will grab it from you. Therefore hold it close to your hip and as far back as comfortable. Shoulder it for longer shots then 5 foot.
As far as ammo, see this thread on why I prefer Slugs:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=352415
Do Not use birdshot. Use 00Buck or slug 2 3/4 or 3inch magnum if your shotgun will take it.
Katrina Guy
Moderator
shoot from the hip/instinctive pointing? as a newbie, and under stress?
More interesting advise.
More interesting advise.
Katrina Guy
Moderator
I'm no expert on tactical shooting, however
I do know what not to do. A 12 gauge shotgun loaded with whatever ain't something to monkey around with, this is a very lethal arm with the possibility of horrific collateral damage. A newbie, or any of us perhaps, without tactical training or extensive shotgun shooting (I' have had neither) does not hip point a 12 gauge in a house nor do you grab as your weapon of choice a Pistol Grip Only shotgun.
Possibly for those with either the knack or the training this may prove to be of tactical advantage, for the rest of us and the newbie who posted this tread in hopes of obtaining USEFUL information, this wild west way of shotgunning is not the way to go, you'd be better off using a handgun.
Want to play Matt Dillion with a shotgun great, go to the woods and fire off the hip and pistol grip and have some good ole boy fun, when comes to indoors lacking tactical training or extensive shooting, use it as it was intended.
Stay safe!
I do know what not to do. A 12 gauge shotgun loaded with whatever ain't something to monkey around with, this is a very lethal arm with the possibility of horrific collateral damage. A newbie, or any of us perhaps, without tactical training or extensive shotgun shooting (I' have had neither) does not hip point a 12 gauge in a house nor do you grab as your weapon of choice a Pistol Grip Only shotgun.
Possibly for those with either the knack or the training this may prove to be of tactical advantage, for the rest of us and the newbie who posted this tread in hopes of obtaining USEFUL information, this wild west way of shotgunning is not the way to go, you'd be better off using a handgun.
Want to play Matt Dillion with a shotgun great, go to the woods and fire off the hip and pistol grip and have some good ole boy fun, when comes to indoors lacking tactical training or extensive shooting, use it as it was intended.
Stay safe!