Henry makes a Lever in .327 magnum, also .41 magnum. At least someone is showing some love for these two ‘niche’ cartridges.
Unfortunately neither the .327 or .41 is offered with the side-gate (at least not on the Henry website).
Henry makes a Lever in .327 magnum, also .41 magnum. At least someone is showing some love for these two ‘niche’ cartridges.
You can dream up all the wonderful uses that you want for ".41 Luger".
Your hand has to fit around the grip. Which holds the Magazine and ammo.
Also most handguns are not bolt or gas operated limiting chamber pressures to what a delayed blowback system can handle..
I understand there are many types of pistols. However semi auto, magazine in grip, and revolvers still reign as the primary forms. The others are absolutely awesome and I have the utmost respect for them, but they are generally the exception to the rule based on what I have seen.only in a semi auto, and now only thanks to stupid laws that define handguns with magazines out side the grips as assault weapons, (and as such prohibited in some states). Think of some Olympic match pistols and the classic C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser, which do not have magazines in the grip frame.
Or, for that matter, an AR "pistol". None of these has cartridge length limited by what an average person can get their hand around.
Also.
Some are bolt action and some are gas operated, I have examples of both, but they are not common and not what most people look for (and by most I mean volume of numbers). The standard service pistols for over a century have mostly been locked breech, not delayed blowback, but that is not for pressure reason, its for size and weight limitations.
The "roller lock" system used by H&K for 50K+psi rifle rounds is a delayed blowback. And the Astra 600 is a straight blowback 9mm Parabellum.
its not that a certain locking system can't/won't contain high pressure, its the PRACTICALITY of making one that will, small enough and light enough to not only work as a handgun, but also be acceptable to the market. (And, the govt).
You’re right, to say that I’m only interested in 3 pistol cartridges is a gross exaggeration. And people with different needs/interests (such as handgun hunting, “duty use” whatever that means, pocket guns, cowboy action shooting, and more) have a much broader set of interests than I do.
But, I guess that’s the point. With so many handgun shooters in the world with such a wide distribution of interests, and with the known shortcomings and limitations of the rounds that exist… why doesn’t “the industry” give us more new options on a regular basis? And again, the reason I ask is because they’re tripping over themselves to release new rifle cartridges, so they obviously are making money doing it. Why is there no money in new pistol development?
I have some theories, but I want to hear other people’s ideas.
Consider the .357 SIG cartridge, by all accounts it is a fantastic round which statistically duplicates the performance of the legendary .357 Magnum Law Enforcement loads, yet it has practically fallen completely out of the race when it comes to what Law Enforcement officers and civilians alike are carrying. Why?
.44 Auto Mag was designed in the 60s and came out in commercially in 1970. Only chambered in the Auto Mag pistol, as far as I know
Cut the case down, say to 10mm length, work up loading data.
Consider the .357 SIG cartridge, by all accounts it is a fantastic round which statistically duplicates the performance of the legendary .357 Magnum Law Enforcement loads, yet it has practically fallen completely out of the race when it comes to what Law Enforcement officers and civilians alike are carrying. Why? Because if you shoot it into a block of gelatin it just doesn't appear to do anything that the 9mm Luger cartridge cannot. But how can that be? It's just a more powerful 9mm, right? It's higher velocity and delivers more energy than 9mm Luger, so in must be better. Indeed it is, but without a proper testing medium to adequately showcase the advantages, it just doesn't look any better.
I pointed out that the .44 Auto Mag has the same head diameter as .45 ACP, so shortening it for a .45 ACP or 10mm length gun would just mean more taper down to a .44 neck. That would get you a wide selection of .44 bullets but those are not shaped to feed in an auto.
In most circles (excluding competitive shooting) the vast majority of pistols/cartridges are designed/purchased with self-defense purposes in mind.
- is more expensive, so I can shoot it less
SO, help me out here, which rounds, (and lets just go from the end of WWII on up) do you feel have been designed with self defense in mind as their primary purpose (and I'll include LEO use in that).
I can think of the .40 S&W, and .357 Sig, possibly the 10mm but I don't see anything bigger being designed with self defense as the main focus. None of the magnum class rounds were intended for that.