New Concealed Carry Pistol, Walther CCP tested and reviewed, Junk or Gem?

OK, I viewed the slo-mo several times and the barrel rise appears to be very similar for both. Torque does appear to be slightly less with the CCP but until I shoot mine I won't know for sure. The reason the rise appeared different looks to be due to the CCP starting from below the line.....as much as 2-3 inches in one shot. Ultimately comes down to how it feels and reacts for my wife but still appreciate your time and filming....it is beneficial.
 
I am wondering if the gas piston system will work when dirty. I know the AK47 uses the system reliably, but there is a lot more power in that cartridge.
It just seems like a place for something to jam up.
 
I am wondering if the gas piston system will work when dirty
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I will let you know, shooting tomorrow again, have not cleaned either one except for the initial cleaning right out of the box! I am sure it will require more cleaning than a straight 1911, but not every time you shoot I am sure. You have to take the bad with the good. A gold piece is nice, but it is heavy, so there you go!!!
 
It just seems like a place for something to jam up.
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What do you know about firearm operating systems to make such a claim? First of all, the AK rifle uses a locked breach system that uses gas against piston/carrier to cycle the weapon.

The walther ccp pistol uses gas being captured in a cylinder against a piston attached to the slide to PREVENT the slide from opening up until the bullet has left the barrel.

The walther ccp is not going to have any problems with carbon buildup in the gas cylinder until in the thousands of rounds.
 
What do you know about firearm operating systems
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I see now how you got your name. If the piston gets stuck in it's cylinder because of dirt, how well in your expert opinion is the slide going to function?
The walther ccp is not going to have any problems with carbon buildup in the gas cylinder until in the thousands of rounds
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If this is fact, where did you get the info?
 
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I am wondering if the gas piston system will work when dirty
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Like all gas delay systems, obstructing carbon deposits will cause it to gradually extract harsher and harsher until cases are no longer adequately contained (bulges/tears possibly ending up with ruptures under pressure if the slide is light enough), or shooting is simply unpleasant if the slide is fairly heavy.

TCB
 
Frame of reference is my HK P7.

If the gas port were to become clogged (never has happened) slide velocity would increase dramatically.

If the gas cylinder becomes encrusted with carbon, extraction becomes sluggish and at some point the slide stops returning to battery.

It takes about 1000 rounds for this to happen with my P7. I clean the gas cylinder about ever 300 rounds or so.
 
Any more reports on the CCP? I really like my HK P7M8, and carry my P7 PSP, and all carry guns are compared to these, so my benchmark is high. I was looking at the CCP to be a smaller, lighter alternative, not that I would ever get rid of the P7's, but choices are always nice.

The PPS does look like a smaller, proven alternative in a sub compact, single stack 9MM.
 
WildBill45, what does the manual say about cleaning the gas system? Is there a recommended round count interval or any other limitations mentioned? The HK P7 manual says clean the gas tube and piston at least every 500 rounds, for example.
 
If the piston gets stuck in it's cylinder because of dirt, how well in your expert opinion is the slide going to function?
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What dirt? You mean carbon buildup? Still won't be a problem until in the thousands of rounds. Gas systems, whether delayed blowback or locked breech, tend to be self cleaning. It's not totally self cleaning, but the nature of a piston head scraping the cylinder back and forth tends to do quite well in delaying carbon-caused malfunctions.

If this is fact, where did you get the info?
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It's basic knowledge of gas operated/delayed systems. Understanding how carbon affects firearms also helps too.

Like all gas delay systems, obstructing carbon deposits will cause it to gradually extract harsher and harsher until cases are no longer adequately contained (bulges/tears possibly ending up with ruptures under pressure if the slide is light enough), or shooting is simply unpleasant if the slide is fairly heavy.
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You have no clue what you're talking about.

The gas port cannot get obstructed by carbon......EVER. It has NEVER happened in the history of planet earth and will never happen in the future. How can carbon build up to the point of obstruction in the same port that is getting wider because of gas port erosion?;)
 
Gunsmith I use says to clean as with the rest of the pistol but be sure the port is dry to avoid excess carbon buildup.
 
You have no clue what you're talking about.

The gas port cannot get obstructed by carbon......EVER. It has NEVER happened in the history of planet earth and will never happen in the future. How can carbon build up to the point of obstruction in the same port that is getting wider because of gas port erosion?
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So a gas port can never obstruct, huh? Is that why H&K P7s require periodic scraping of carbon from the cylinder, why VG1s would rupture cases as their leather seals wore out, why the GB would run harsher as it dirtied, and the Rogak abortion function basically as a blowback due to poor tolerances at the port and seal points? At low pistol pressures that close to the breech, carbon does build up, as well as copper and other whatnot. Even ARs have little gas port tools for cleanup after shooting lousy ammunition.

My point is that gas delay, by definition, loses effectiveness as the gun dirties and wears. And there's not much of a way around it. Care and maintenence and good quality control will mitigate it, but they are more critical than in other designs.

TCB
 
So a gas port can never obstruct, huh? Is that why H&K P7s require periodic scraping of carbon from the cylinder
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The gas port and cylinder are two different things.

Everything else you said was anecdotal.

My point is that gas delay, by definition, loses effectiveness as the gun dirties and wears. And there's not much of a way around it. Care and maintenence and good quality control will mitigate it, but they are more critical than in other designs.
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Yes, care and maintenance is key but not after every range session.

The main point was the statement that gas port can get clogged up. That is not true. Can gas tubes in gas-delayed blowbacks build up with carbon? Yes, but it's not a huge deal.

hey wild bill. If you want, please put a thousand rounds through your walther ccp without cleaning anything except the chamber and tell us what problems the pistol has or has not. Tell us what kind of ammo was used, the nature of malfunctions, etc.
 
I have a PPS and love it. The CCP looks like it will be fantastic and solve the few issues I have with my PPS. I can't wait to do a hand fit test on one. My daughter might be jealous if I get one.
 
Evil Monkey is correct.

We need to define our terms.

I have never heard of anyone having to clean the gas port on a P7, though I suppose it is possible for jacket fragments or dirt to clog it. This area is under a tremendous amount of pressure and carbon is simply blown through/burned off.

The gas cylinder however, is a regular maintenance item and it is not as sensitive as internet lore would have you believe. It also will give you ample warning that it is dirty before it becomes so clogged with carbon that it binds the action.

Mine does anyway.
 
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The question that PSP and I asked seems to have gotten lost in the bickering about semantics. :rolleyes:

Can the CCP gas system- port, piston, whatever- be cleaned readily?
 
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