"Never Again:" A warning to Jews and Americans

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And what have those without faith accomplished that's so good? Those who claim faith in one god or another have done harms in our history, but don't forget about the wonderful secular humanists like Stalin, Mao, and Fidel Castro. Your philosophy has no edge in a debate on morality or the advancement of man.
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I think the point isn't that people of faith do bad things but that people of faith sometimes do bad things in the name of their particular diety. People of no faith do bad things as well in addition to doing many good things, people of faith do bad things in addition to many good things.

The problems come from people doing bad things in the name of their beliefs, whether they be religious or secular. In either case it's undeniable that many people have commited some pretty horrible acts because they thought their preferred invisible friend told them to.
 
The problems come from people doing bad things in the name of their beliefs, whether they be religious or secular. In either case it's undeniable that many people have commited some pretty horrible acts because they thought their preferred invisible friend told them to.
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Yep, that was the point. It plays in this country daily and it's ugly and self righteous and absolutely sinful. Assaults on anyone different than their ideal type is fair game because "God wants it that way!:eek:The other night at dinner he (GOD) said as much!
Recently, our grandaughter asked her teacher if another teacher in the school was a Republican or Democrat. The teacher responded with " Oh, I'm sure she's a Republican because I know she's a Christian:eek: :eek: :eek:
That's really a candidate for ten eeks but we have limits here.
Somebody's going to hell!
Wasn't it people of faith who were so zealous about illiminating blacks, jews and even Catholics from our culture not so very long ago? Now they spend most of their time with the sexual concerns of adults lives.

Meanwhile we engage in killing and hurting in the name of God. As they say ...That's just wrong!
God wanted you to know!;)


Rimrock
 
I think the point isn't that people of faith do bad things but that people of faith sometimes do bad things in the name of their particular diety.
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Largely I agree with you. Any creed is susceptible to being used as an excuse to do harm to others. There is a difference between those who use spiritual teachings for their personal gain and those who pursue spiritual teachings because they truly believe in them.

This does not mean that all spiritual teachings are equivalent, as the previous post suggested.

The problems come from people doing bad things in the name of their beliefs, whether they be religious or secular. In either case it's undeniable that many people have commited some pretty horrible acts because they thought their preferred invisible friend told them to.
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Another problem is people cannot agree on what is "bad". The definition of what is evil is not separate from ones' beliefs. If you judge us religious people by some moral standard such as human rights, then that standard is no less arbitrary than those handed down by our invisible friends.

Bush Jr. did enact a 2 year ban on ALL Norinco products that included toys, electronics, firearms and about a 1000 Wally World items. This was punishment for using slave labor and unfair buisness practices against the U.S.
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As I understand it, the ban was not due to some human rights issue but because Norinco supplied material to Iran's missile program. Source:

http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/030530.htm

If you have another source I would like to read it. Personally I do not see what the big deal is; its not like Norinco's guns are that great. Can't buy a Norinco 1911? Gee, maybe there's someone else who still makes those old things (its a joke!).
 
Leviticus 24:16 states that he who blasphemes the name of the Lord should be stoned to death.
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The Bible calls for killing those who worship other gods (Deuteronomy, Chapter 17:2-3,5). Of course, Deuteronomy is the fifth book of the Hebrew Bible as well.
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To all you Bible scholars (:barf: ), you are leaving out one very important point:

When Jesus was here on Earth, the disciples asked Him, "So what's the deal - do we live by the law (meaning the Old Testament) or by what you are teaching us?"

His answer was, "You are no longer bound by the law, save for the commandments the Lord gave to Moses; obey those and the words I give to you."

Both Leviticus and Deuteronomy are books of the Old Testament - in fact, the first five books of the old testament are called "the law;" Leviticus is book #3 of the old testament; Deuteronomy is book #5.

Yes, there was alot of killing advocated in the Old Testament, and alot of killing did take place under the law. However, when Jesus came to Earth to teach, there was a huge shift - the law of the old testament was no longer in force. His word then became the law that his followers were to live by.

Not so with Islam - the Koran and the Islamic clerics have advocated the murder of we Infidels from day one, and they continue to do so today.
 
Yes, there was alot of killing advocated in the Old Testament, and alot of killing did take place under the law. However, when Jesus came to Earth to teach, there was a huge shift - the law of the old testament was no longer in force. His word then became the law that his followers were to live by.

Not so with Islam - the Koran has advocated the murder of we Infidels from day one, and continues to do so today.
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Yet millions have still been killed in the name of jesus, mary, god, yaweh, allah, whatever. People don't always follow their dieties to the letter.
 
We need SDI now more than ever

And Reagon's Star Wars idea wasn't a lame-ass idea?
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No, it wasn't - and isn't. Not when this nation is totally vulernable to missle attack. SDI is needed even more today than when we had Soviet missles aimed at us.

Today, we have Al-Quaeda who either has or will have the ability to launch missles against the United States, and Islam-controlled Iran, whose leadership is just as psychotic - and is working day and night to become nuclear capable.

If either of these entities launches nuclear or chemical weapon armed missles against the United States, what can "our" government do to protect us?

Not one damn thing.

As for me, I sure as hell would feel safer if we had an operational SDI network.

When Reagan proposed SDI, the leftist/Democrat/socialist morons of the day hooted, jeered and ridiculed it - just like the leftist/Democrat/socialist morons of today hoot, jeer and ridicule anything that would make America stronger and safer from those who would attack and destroy us. But then, they aren't loyal to America - never have been.
 
Star-wars isnt a lame idea?

I happened to own a little Raytheon stock at about $65 a couple weeks before the big missile shootdown test was to happen. Being involved in physics and all that, I decided it might be a good time to sell it. Which I did.

In under a month, the stock tanked and remained at $25 or so.

They had to fudge a lot of stuff in that test and it still didn't work.

Yes, a missile defense system is a wonderful idea !

Only it doesn't work. Well, unless your objective is to steal tax dollars.
 
Obviously it needs work. Today, 20 years after the concept of SDI was first advocated, we are light years ahead of where we were then in regards to technology.

Just because it didn't work right 20 years ago does not mean that we could not make it work today.

Personally, I'd rather give it another shot than just sit around and hope some group of deranged psychos won't start lobbing missles - because the minute they can, they will.
 
Yet millions have still been killed in the name of jesus, mary, god, yaweh, allah, whatever. People don't always follow their dieties to the letter.
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Actually you're being kind. It's more like they mold their dieties like clay to conform with their own agendas.
I find many of these so called religions do little more than pander to and recruit the truely ill to their cause within their respective societies.
The subversions of Christianity by the "religious right" is truly an example of the ungodly manipulating God for their own means.
Egocentric hatemongers like Pat Robertson and Jerry Fatwell will have to answer for their misdeeds.
Hope these wackos are equipped with asbestos "speedos" :eek:
Goinnnnnng..... down!

Rimrock
 
I can not talk as a representative of somebody, but as Israeli and a Jew, let me answer. I think that all this Muslim-Iranian-smiranian s**t is slightly exaggerated. If there are forces in Islam that want to exterminate Jews, Americans, all western civilization? Of course they are (there are more moderate Islamic clerks too). And I understand why it bothers non-jewish Americans, which I sincerly thank: because Hitler and others began from from this too, and gradually involved all the world in fighting.
Still, not intentions are important but possibilities. And there are no possibilities within Muslim world. They do not produce anything but oil, at least in threatening amount. They can not wage even regional war on their own.

It seems a bit strange to conclude from it gun-related issues. I do not like French, where is my AK-47? ;)
 
America is the most christian nation on the planet, and the strongest most caring and protective.

rimrock your last post seems a bit harsh, and to be pointing fingers on top of it.
 
It's sad tht the face of Jews in America is the likes of Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, I'm not sure if George SOros is Jewish or not but almost certain. I know a lot of Middle class Jews who are just as concened about the second amendment because they have SEEN what gun control can do. Unfortunately American Jews often are too priviledged to understand why the 2nd Amendment is there.

It doesn't help that certain radical elements in the NRA are so obviously racist that it perpetuates the cycle of Jews avoid the NRA-don't care about firearms rights-more blames on Jews.

My stance is that if you don't like AMerica, then you can just giiit-ooout. The anti-gun Jews can join the Anti-gun people of all races to a socialist paradise if they hate America tht much.
 
The subversions of Christianity by the "religious right" is truly an example of the ungodly manipulating God for their own means.
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Kinda like Hillary with her "let us rejoice in the day the LORD has made" speech wasn't it? I'm suprised she could hold it together long enough to say a coherent sentence. Reminds me of Algore "preaching" in liberal churches before the 2000 election as well. Talk about manipulative. As much I disagree with Falwell and Robertson on alot of issues they haven't sunk to the level of religious whoring for votes.:rolleyes:
 
posted by carbiner America is the most christian nation on the planet, and the strongest most caring and protective.
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Don't you think all members of their respective religions feel that same way?
I got a feeling 25,000 dead Africans daily might disagree if they could have.:eek:
It's called genocide and it plays there nightly while we're watchin' Desperate Housewives, Fox News and American Idol!:o
Yes, we are a holy bunch!:eek: :barf:

Rimrock
 
Don't you think all members of their respective religions feel that same way?
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I'm sure alot of nations do feel that way. Feelings and actions are two different things. I don't exactly see many other nations with predominately Islamic, Buddaist, etc... views rushing to help others in time of need.
 
I don't claim to be an authority on great religions of the world but I do know that some have a collective perspective while others stress the individual.

Again,too often our help is motivated by things other than "rushing to help for helps sake".
A good example is the current "rescue mission" in Iraq which no one requested while the countless that are being tortured and killed throughout the world and specifically Africa aren't even a footnote in our churches!

And some, as evidenced here would demand a litmus test for liberal V conservative before pitching in. Poor misguided souls!:o

posted by mxwelch Reminds me of Algore "preaching" in liberal churches before the 2000 election as well. Talk about manipulative. As much I disagree with Falwell and Robertson on alot of issues they haven't sunk to the level of religious whoring for votes.
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Want some real "whorin", as you put it. Just tune in to one of those fat cat evangelical money grubbers hittin' that cash register for Jesus!:eek: :barf: Maybe Robertson could take some time out from his busy S. African diamond mind to help those on that continent dodge genocide.:o
This POS would rather bash those with views other than his than to make a godly contribution. That's why the overwhelming majority of Americans think he's NUTZ!
Of course there are those who believe that God or in this case Jesus is a big blonde, white guy Republican named Billy Bob who has muffler shop in Little Rock.:eek:
Wasn't Christianity formerly known as the "Brotherly Love Religion?"

That seems to have been derailed of late!:o

Rimrock
 
I don't claim to be an authority on great religions of the world but I do know that some have a collective perspective while others stress the individual.
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You sure do denigrate something you don't know that much about based on a few people's selfish actions. News flash: There are far more Christians than Falwell, Robertson and a few others. How about putting up the "broad brush" you complained about earlier.


Again,too often our help is motivated by things other than "rushing to help for helps sake".
A good example is the current "rescue mission" in Iraq which no one requested while the countless that are being tortured and killed throughout the world and specifically Africa aren't even a footnote in our churches!
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I see you geo-political knowledge is on par with you knowledge of religion.:rolleyes:
 
By Rimrock
The subversions of Christianity by the "religious right" is truly an example of the ungodly manipulating God for their own means.
Egocentric hatemongers like Pat Robertson and Jerry Fatwell will have to answer for their misdeeds.
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I share your distaste for Robertson and Falwell, but there are those on the Left who bastardize Christianity as well. Sharpton and Jackson come to mind, I am sure there are others.
 
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