Nevada "Stand Your Ground " Case

So he thought they pointed a gun at him. That gave the reasonable doubt, ya think?

But what if they did have a gun, and simply shot him?

Not a tactical genius here. Is there some reason, he couldn't just have called the law?
 
leadcounsel, here's my problem in a nutshell:

I think it's bordering on death-penalty stupidity to voluntarily enter a property you don't currently reside at, regardless of whether you own it, at night to confront squatters who you've been informed are inside. The law is written to give reasonable people every opportunity to defend themselves. That's not what happened here.

I wouldn't even care if they were actively cooking meth. The reasonable thing to do, both legally and from a safety perspective, is to call the police or the sheriff, or wait until daylight to try to settle it, or wait until they're out and make sure the locks are engaged, changing them if necessary.

Burgarello knew it was high-risk. He entered the property with a gun in each hand. Nevermind the ridiculousness of holding two guns at the same time; the fact that he would even think to try to clear his property by himself, knowing it was occupied by unknown individuals, indicates a severe deficit of tactical wisdom.

His behavior may fall within self defense under the law as written, but that doesn't make me feel any better about it. Burgarello could easily have been killed trying to confront squatters that way, particularly if they were the degenerate drug abusers he might have suspected they were. It would make an interesting case to see to what extent squatters have a right to self defense in that kind of situation. Someone yelling that they're the homeowner does not necessarily make them the homeowner, just as tactical ninja gear does not necessarily make an intruder a LEO.

You can look at it through the simplistic lens: property owner; has a right to be there; legitimately feared for his life. And, legally, that may be enough to acquit. But he put himself in a situation where he could easily fear for his life and have to shoot someone, when he didn't have to, and he didn't have any need to force a confrontation that way. That makes it immoral, and unjustified homicide, in my view.
 
Glenn, Burgarello himself gave the reason in a police interview:

Hahn argued that Burgarello knew a man was sleeping inside, and didn't call police because he didn't want them to get away. Hahn then replayed a recording of Burgarello talking with police.

"If I took the time to call the cops, they might leave, and I didn't want them to leave," Burgarello told police.

He didn't want them to leave. Instead, he wanted to confront them himself... while carrying two guns. At night. When he probably suspected they were drug users. What are the chances that would end well, and doesn't that go to intent and criminal responsibility?

Hahn emphasized that several witnesses testified they had told Burgarello to secure his properties. But witnesses said Burgarello told them that he was going to wait inside and "shoot them" instead.

I think that bumps it to first degree murder. Burgarello lay in wait, he simply did so from outside the property rather than inside.

I recognize the danger of imputing culpability to a defendant based on past, possibly hypothetical or exaggerated statements, but Burgarello's actions were not reasonable enough to foreclose considering those past statements indicating malintent, when combined with his own damning statements, specifically in this case, about why he didn't call the police. That leads to a murder conviction of one degree or another, in my view.
 
What we think about this case means nothing. A jury of twelve heard all the evidence and acquitted the man based on it's totality, not a piece of it. Justice is served, like it or not.

Zimmerman got out of his truck when he did not need to. This man entered his own property while legally armed. Do we really want to see court decisions calling such things homicidal intent?

Turn in your pistols and permits now. Your intent to kill someone is self-evident.
 
This man entered his own property while legally armed. Do we really want to see court decisions calling such things homicidal intent?
Except it's not that simple. He had other options, including involving law enforcement.

This guy got an acquittal. Different place, different time, different jury, and it could have turned out very differently.
 
Without getting into precise language, which varies by state, the intent of "no duty to retreat" (or so-called "stand your ground") laws is to counteract the notion that a person who "is" (not "will be") in a place he/she is legally entitled to be must attempt to retreat in the face of an assault before he/she is legally allowed to use deadly force in self defense. Although the media use of the term has poisoned it, the nickname "stand your ground" is an apt description of the intent of such laws.

Did this gentleman "stand his ground"? I respectfully submit that he did not. When informed there were squatters in his property, he wasn't even at the property. Knowing there was the possibility of a confrontation -- in fact, apparently even looking for a confrontation -- he armed himself, went to the property and entered, and then opened fire when he perceived movement.

I am 100 percent in favor of no duty to retreat laws. I am also 100 percent against squatters occupying other people's properties. That said, I do not think that this case falls within no duty to retreat laws. IF he had NOT been alerted to the presence of squatters and he had gone to check on his unit in the middle of the day, and was ambushed by squatters in the unit, then I would say that "stand your ground" would apply. But that's not what took place. Knowing that there were potential adversaries in his unit, he went in looking for a confrontation. I don't think that's really what the law was enacted to authorize.

I agree with those who have opined that this was a case of jury nullification.
 
This man entered his own property while legally armed.

That's a gross oversimplification of the facts. So is comparing it to the Trayvon Martin shooting.

Burgarello created a scenario where death or serious injury to someone (by startling sleeping [drug-using] squatters) was a realistic possibility. He had no need to do so. It was his property, but he did not reside there. Read the quotes in my previous post. Burgarello either plotted murder, or was grossly negligent in acting out a fantasy of confronting squatters, after arming himself specifically for that confrontation, and then crying "self defense" when, surprise, he had to use a gun.

What you're suggesting, and what the jury blessed by finding him not guilty, is that squatters are one upset property owner away from grave risk of being startled awake at night and legally killed by that property owner. A lot of people, squatters or not, drug users or not, will appear to make threatening motions when startled awake.

That cannot possibly be a legitimate interpretation of the self defense exception to murder, can it?
 
Arm yourself at night, startle the burglar in your hallway instead of waiting for the cops to show up, then tell us about your legitimate self-defense claim. After all, startled criminals often make hand movements that can be construed as reaching for a weapon, but that can't be an exception to the definition of murder, can it?

I don't like the circumstances, either. But the jury thought otherwise.

As for any jury trial, they can go either way. That's not a vindication of your beliefs, however.

Zimmermann didn't wait for the cops, and got out of his truck. Result was a dead kid.

Burgarello didn't call the cops and went inside the house. Result was one dead, another wounded.

The scenarios are the same. The individual did not need to take that ultimate action of 'crossing a threshold' that was proximate cause of the events that followed. One was a car door, this one a front door. Yours will be the bedroom door.

After all, they weren't actually armed, were they? Nor were they inside your kid's bedroom. Just near it. The cops were on the way. You went looking for a confrontation. You could have stayed in your bedroom instead of stalking and murdering an unarmed person.
 
There is a big difference between shooting an intruder in your own residence and walking into an long abandoned building looking to take out two squatters.
 
He had no need to do so. It was his property, but he did not reside there. Read the quotes in my previous post. Burgarello either plotted murder, or was grossly negligent in acting out a fantasy of confronting squatters, after arming himself specifically for that confrontation, and then crying "self defense" when, surprise, he had to use a gun.

Using this logic, the property owner has LESS rights than a carry permit holder venturing out into public. Let's reword this and see if we agree.

"You have no need to [arm yourself and go into public]. Public space is not even your property and you don't reside there. .... [In arming yourself and going into public] you either plotted murder, or was grossly negligent in acting out a fantasy of confronting criminals, after arming himself specifically for that possible confrontation, and then crying "self defense" when, surprise, you had to use a gun."

Pretty chilling indeed for the arguments of being allowed to carry a gun.

While we have long abandoned "self-help" eviction laws, I'll take the jury verdict as a win for law abiding self-defense. Little difference than if you are armed and come home to your door kicked in and signs of burglary. You don't lose your right to enter your home, and if you find an intruder you should be able to defend yourself.


1. The squatters were trespassing, possibly committing other crimes (drugs, weapons, prostitution, vandalism, etc.). They were potentially armed and high on street drugs like Meth, which causes unpredictable violence.

2. The property owner was an elderly retired schoolteacher - doubt he was full of blood lust. "Long abandoned" property is irrelevant. It was his property. His life. His right to protect his life on his property. Pretty simple concept.
 
1. The squatters were trespassing, possibly committing other crimes (drugs, weapons, prostitution, vandalism, etc.). They were potentially armed and high on street drugs like Meth, which causes unpredictable violence.

Not a lawyer here, but it seems you are arguing for preemptive use of legal force for crimes that might have occurred or might occur in the future. That is not accepted for an excuse to use lethal force.

Also, the argument is whether the gentleman was stupid in his actions. He has the right to protect his life. But were his actions wise - no. That he did unwise things that led to the death of those two folks is not to be celebrated, if that is your intent.
 
[In arming yourself and going into public] you either plotted murder, or was grossly negligent in acting out a fantasy of confronting criminals
That's not even apples and oranges. It's like apples and mangoes or something.

I'm not standing my ground if I actively seek to engage someone who might be committing a nonviolent crime. On my property or in public, the principle is the same.

They were potentially armed and high on street drugs like Meth, which causes unpredictable violence.
What they might do is beside the point. Any invited houseguest might turn into a rampaging maniac after a couple of drinks. Any person on the street might be a terrorist. It is not my place to make that call, and what someone might do isn't grounds for lethal force.

Maybe someone got hopped up on bath salts yesterday. Maybe he kicked puppies and jaywalked last Thursday. None of that matters. What matters is what he's doing right now and whether those actions can be met with lethal force.

The property owner was an elderly retired schoolteacher - doubt he was full of blood lust.
Age may affect character, but it doesn't determine it. Case in point: Jerome Ersland.
 
leadcounsel said:
...The squatters were trespassing, possibly committing other crimes (drugs, weapons, prostitution, vandalism, etc.). They were potentially armed and high on street drugs like Meth, which causes unpredictable violence....
Really now? "Possibly", "potentially" indeed. A new standard falling well short of even "reasonably articulable suspicion"? And from someone claiming to be a lawyer?

In any case, justifying lethal force requires more than "possibly" or "potentially." Since the defendant here was acquitted, either there was credible evidence introduced by the defendant supporting an inference by the jury that he satisfied the applicable standard about which the jury was instructed by the judge, or the jury chose to ignore the judge's instructions on the law.
 
The real injustice is that this poor property owner spent the last 14 months on trial for murder and attempted murder. I've seen this type of political charging and it's baloney. This should have never seen a courtroom. It was an injustice to the defendant, and wasted probably six-figures in public tax dollars for a non-crime. Burgarello told the cops during his interview that he saw what he perceived as a gun (a black flashlight located under the body of the deceased), from the two meth addicts who had trespassed and were squatting. He told them he feared and fired in self defense. I hope he pursues malicious prosecution action. This prosecutor has no business bringing cases (as evidenced by this atrocious lack of legal expertise and waste of tax dollars), and should have a bar compliant filed against him. He had no probable cause in light of the obvious self-defense evidence, and his only witness was easily impeached. On top of that the defendant was quite sympathetic as a person and probably to the community (an elderly schoolteacher checking on his property), and several witnesses were in support of the defendant, including at least 2 medical doctors and a firefighter witness.

Lot's of experts here, even some personal attacks (which are presumably not in TFL policy once again).
Frank Ettin: Really now? "Possibly", "potentially" indeed. A new standard falling well short of even "reasonably articulable suspicion"? And from someone claiming to be a lawyer?
:rolleyes:

Incorrect. Reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm. Apparently that standard was reached. Reference the jury verdict as exhibit A.
Per the article link below: As indicated by the verdict, the jury unanimously agreed that the State prosecutors had failed to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt (the legal standard in every state except Ohio).

Tom Servo: What they might do is beside the point. Any invited houseguest might turn into a rampaging maniac after a couple of drinks. Any person on the street might be a terrorist. It is not my place to make that call, and what someone might do isn't grounds for lethal force.
:rolleyes:

Someone pulls a gun on you, giving you apprehension they *might* shoot you. Hence, reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm. Hardly "beside the point." Reference jury verdict of not guilty.

Glenn Meyer: Not a lawyer here, but it seems you are arguing for preemptive use of legal force for crimes that might have occurred or might occur in the future. That is not accepted for an excuse to use lethal force.
:rolleyes:

Tom Servo: I'm not standing my ground if I actively seek to engage someone who might be committing a nonviolent crime. On my property or in public, the principle is the same.
And there was evidence of this, that the defendant sought to murder?

Tom Servo: Age may affect character, but it doesn't determine it.
Point again missed. Age/profession directly impact subjective/reasonableness of fear (we'd expect a different analysis for a 25 year old MMA fighter versus a 75 year old retired schoolteacher).

Here are a few points from an actual criminal trial lawyer (me) who has real world trial experience, who actually understands the law, citing open source news:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/05/verdict-in-squatter-shooting-case-not-guilty/

Burgarello entered the apartment, guns in hand, and called out to the squatters, 34-year-old Cody Devine (male) and 30-year-old Janai Wilson (female), both habitual meth users. Wilson had so habitually squatted in the apartment that she’d changed her driver’s license to reflect that address and was seeking to obtain outright ownership via “squatter’s rights.”

In laymans terms this is breaking and entering and intending felony theft (stealing ownership of the building presumably via adverse possession (possession via use) by habitual meth users (known to be violent and attract violence).

Burgarello told police that he had perceived Devine pointing a gun-like weapon at him in the darkness. Although no weapon was found at the location where the squatters were shot, a black flashlight was recovered from under Devine’s body. The fact that Devine may not actually have possessed a weapon is, of course, legally irrelevant. The legal question is whether Devine’s conduct with whatever object he possessed might have been reasonably perceived to have represented an imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm.
Bingo.

Defense Attorney Ristenpart argued to the jury that he had a right to arm himself and check his properties, stating that “Wayne could have had 10 guns that day, and that is still lawful and legal.” She further claimed that Burgarello first shouted into the dwelling numerous times, asking if anyone was inside and telling them they needed to come out. This narrative was buttressed by the testimony of a retired firefighter who witnessed the events.

Other defense witnesses who owned adjacent rental properties testified about times they had squatters threaten them with knives, after which they had armed themselves with handguns much as had Burgarello.

Ristenpart also argued that it was the squatters, not her client, who:
"created the dangerous, threatening situation, trespassing, getting high on meth and being where they shouldn’t be, where they had no right to be. . . . The aggression is against Wayne. . . . Here are two people who broke into your home to use drugs and trash the place. That’s the aggression, and that’s what caused this threatening situation."
Exactly.

It should be noted that the surviving female's testimony was entirely discredited by other witnesses to her character and actions afterward which were disproven, painting her testimony as unreliable.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/Burgarello-Trial-Continues-With-Defense-305371381.html

Trial testimony from the article:

1.
Burgarello's vision was slightly diminished by March of 2014, just weeks after the shooting Burgarello says happened in a darkened room because he saw a gun.
That equates to reasonable subjective fear in legal terms, and reason to mistake a flashlight for a gun in the dark room.

2.
Toxicologist Dr. William Anderson testified Cody Devine, shot and killed by Burgarello, had high levels of methamphetamine and amphetamine in his system when he was shot.
I'm no doctor, but as an experienced criminal trial lawyer this goes directly to the behavior of the deceased (propensity for drug use and violent crime from being high on meth).

3.
Burgarello has many health issues, including having had two strokes and a heart condition.
Frail condition of the elderly accused goes directly toward reasonableness of subjective fear.


To all of this I'll simply say the jury found him not guilty. I ain't none to smarts but I sorta rememerz thems jurors needbe all believe he didn't dun it. And I gots a few trials under my belt.
;)

Edited: Getting past the bickering, there is a lesson here: In conclusion - it was indeed unwise to go to his property if he suspected dangerous squatters. But it was not illegal. Illegal squatters don't get to effectively block you from your property. The lesson here is that he should have just called the police and had them remove the squatters, and then decided how to handle the vacant building security.
 
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Frank Ettin: Really now? "Possibly", "potentially" indeed. A new standard falling well short of even "reasonably articulable suspicion"? And from someone claiming to be a lawyer?
:rolleyes:

Incorrect. Reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm. Apparently that standard was reached...
A "reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm" is a lot different from "possibly committing other crimes" or "potentially armed and high on street drugs like Meth...." A lawyer should understand the difference and be precise in his language.

And apparently that standard was reached, since the defendant was acquitted; and apparently it was reached based on evidence beyond what was reported in the early news articles on the subject.

But the standard is a good deal more stringent and exigent than "possibly committing other crimes" or "potentially armed and high on street drugs like Meth...."
 
Same point I made (not that it takes a genius to understand that, so I'm not making that claim). However, LC seems to have missed his own implication. Not being a lawyer, I have read legal texts on use of lethal force and I do have fairly good reading skills. The preemptive usage is not standard doctrine.
 
Now here's a good analysis of the the case and verdict by a well known attorney and commentator on self defense issues, Andrew Branca. And as Branca points out in his article:
....Legally, it’s typically far harder to sell a self-defense narrative when you arm yourself and go to the fight, as opposed to a situation in which a fight unavoidably comes to you. In many states, including Massachusetts where I live and practice law, aggressive conduct of the type engaged in by Burgarello could well result in him being denied a self-defense jury instruction entirely....

But as Branca points out, it looks like the defense was able to deal effectively with those issues:

  • ...Defense Attorney Ristenpart argued to the jury that he had a right to arm himself and check his properties, stating that “Wayne could have had 10 guns that day, and that is still lawful and legal.” She further claimed that Burgarello first shouted into the dwelling numerous times, asking if anyone was inside and telling them they needed to come out. This narrative was buttressed by the testimony of a retired firefighter who witnessed the events.....

  • ...defense witnesses who owned adjacent rental properties testified about times they had squatters threaten them with knives, after which they had armed themselves with handguns much as had Burgarello.....

  • ...the defense claims, the police were routinely ineffective in responding to complaints of sometimes lethally violent squatters,....

  • And of course central to the defense's position was:
    ...Burgarello, in contrast, told police that he had perceived Devine pointing a gun-like weapon at him in the darkness (Burgarello did not testify at trial). Although no weapon was found at the location where the squatters were shot, a black flashlight was recovered from under Devine’s body. The fact that Devine may not actually have possessed a weapon is, of course, legally irrelevant. The legal question is whether Devine’s conduct with whatever object he possessed might have been reasonably perceived to have represented an imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm....

The only purpose "possibly committing other crimes" or "potentially armed and high on street drugs like Meth...." could serve for the defendant here would be to illustrate the reasonableness of his being armed. Mere possibility or potential could not justify the actual use of lethal force. Justification needed to be based on the defendant's claim that he reasonably perceived one of the squatters pointing what reasonably appeared to be a gun together with corroboration that the decedent apparently had an object to hand that could be identified as a gun.
 
I'll note that post #39 affirms exactly what I wrote above, linking to the article about the threats reported by adjacent property owners, and the rest. :cool:
 
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