Need advice on CC gun for running?

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Alpena

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I've started running around the neighborhood and am looking for a recommendation on a carry gun and carry holster. I run 4 miles every morning now and want advice on both . Thanks in advance.
 
What is the threat? If you're just worried about wildlife or local dogs, some bear spray might be all you need. If you've got an ex-con SO who has updated their facebook page with "I'm going to kill my ex"....well....then perhaps a handgun would be better.
 
I didn't think I needed to post any more detail. I live in a big city were petty crime can happen anywhere and since I can exactly strap an AR to my back and run around my neighborhood, I'm looking for CC suggestions. If you have no intention of answering, go troll someone else.
 
I have a Kahr CM9 that I use with a Remora IWB holster. The Kahr is 9mm and very compact and light weight. You practically don't know it's there. 7 rounds total (6+1). I usually carry +P ammo. The Remora holster sets in your waistband. No belt needed. When running I usually only adjust it once or twice. I use the same carry package when in shorts and a T-Shirt during summer.
 
If you have no intention of answering, go troll someone else.
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I don't think that was a troll answer whatsoever. Dial it back a bit. No one else was being rude here.

It was an honest answer. If you're a runner, you probably want to be as light as possible. It was a valid suggestion. You also could have told us what you experience is. Are you used to DA/SA guns, DAO guns, striker fired guns? How small are you wanting to go? You could always get a derringer.

To the point, if you are looking for a small-igh gun and how to carry it, the M&P Shield 9 with Thunderwear would be a good option. Maybe it's heavier or larger than you're looking for, maybe it's not. We have no way of knowing unless you tell us.
 
I don't think that was a troll answer whatsoever. Dial it back a bit. No one else was being rude here.*

It was an honest answer. If you're a runner, you probably want to be as light as possible. It was a valid suggestion.*

To the point, if you are looking for a small gun and how to carry it, the M&P Shield 9 with Thunderwear would be a good option.
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Maybe if I hadn't stated "GUN" and he hadn't included the ex-con SO comment his answer might have been valid, but I don't feel it was. I live in Houston as listed on my basic information, I have yet to see a bear or hog anywhere. Thanks for your response though. And I'm looking for anything in the compact to subcompact range.

I have a Kahr CM9 that I use with a Remora IWB holster. The Kahr is 9mm and very compact and light weight. You practically don't know it's there. 7 rounds total (6+1). I usually carry +P ammo. The Remora holster sets in your waistband. No belt needed. When running I usually only adjust it once or twice. I use the same carry package when in shorts and a T-Shirt during summer.
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Does the remora really sit that tight in running shorts? My greatest fear currently is having it fall out randomly.
 
Some advice, both asked and unasked

Alpena,

Ritz asked a pertinent question.

What is the threat?

The threat in my area for joggers varies from Moose, a pack of wolves frequenting the Eagle River area, the occasional (but vanishingly rare bear (black or brown), domestic dogs running loose and the ever-worrisome human threats which may come in the form of specific persons (the ex-con ex significant other mentioned by Ritz) or your standard mugger or gang.

We also do not know your build, nor your experience level.

Your original question left out a lot of detail, which, of course, would greatly affect the answer.

I don't normally jog with my Super Redhawk, but it would be my firearm of choice in certain areas, but not on a belt holster (not with my build and not while jogging). My choice of shoulder holster would virtually preclude it for concealed carry anyway. But a 4" Smith & Wesson (or Taurus) 44 Magnum Scandium revolver in a fanny pack designed for handgun carry could do for you if your threat is of the large, furry variety. (How far out from Houston would you have to live to run into Javelina/Peccary?)

The S&W Bodyguard .380 with built-in laser is a very nice choice favored by many off-duty police and on-duty police as a backup gun. But a bit light in the power level, especially in my area, where anyone preying on a jogger would probably be heavily clothed this time of year. It goes in a pocket or inside-the-waistband holster very nicely and its weight does not present too much of a problem while jogging.

Among the .380s on the market today, it stands out, and this from a Ruger fan.

Don't scoff at 10% capsicum bear spray. It has a better track record of preserving human life in human-bear encounters than firearms and is effective on people, dogs and other varieties of wildlife as well.

Lost Sheep

Never mind about the private message. I see from your post #8 that you have thought about the tenor of your post #3. Graciousness goes a long way. Enough said.
 
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Wow,

Didn't expect to get branded a "troll". My suggestion was merely to take some time to look at what the perceived threat was and perhaps a gun might not be the best "bang for the buck" in terms of weight/hassle.

I seem to have struck a nerve. In that case, carry whatever you feel you "need" that doesn't interfere with your running. Perhaps a .380.

I am a bit troubled by your "petty crime in the city" comment. The courts take a pretty dim view of shooting folks (or even just "brandishing" a gun) for "petty crime." Just sayin...

Best,
 
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Alpena,

The unasked for advice, I have sent you in a private message, not wanting to take you to task for a lack of grace on a public forum.

Ritz asked a pertinent question.

What is the threat?

The threat in my area for joggers varies from Moose, a pack of wolves frequenting the Eagle River area, the occasional (but vanishingly rare bear (black or brown), domestic dogs running loose and the ever-worrisome human threats which may come in the form of specific persons (the ex-con ex significant other mentioned by Ritz) or your standard mugger or gang.

We also do not know your build, nor your experience level.

Your original question left out a lot of detail, which, of course, would greatly affect the answer.

I don't normally jog with my Super Redhawk, but it would be my firearm of choice in certain areas, but not on a belt holster (not with my build and not while jogging). My choice of shoulder holster would virtually preclude it for concealed carry anyway. But a 4" Smith & Wesson (or Taurus) 44 Magnum Scandium revolver in a fanny pack designed for handgun carry could do for you if your threat is of the large, furry variety. (How far out from Houston would you have to live to run into Javelina/Peccary?)

The S&W Bodyguard .380 with built-in laser is a very nice choice favored by many off-duty police and on-duty police as a backup gun. But a bit light in the power level, especially in my area, where anyone preying on a jogger would probably be heavily clothed this time of year. It goes in a pocket or inside-the-waistband holster very nicely and its weight does not present too much of a problem while jogging.

Among the .380s on the market today, it stands out, and this from a Ruger fan.

Don't scoff at 10% capsicum bear spray. It has a better track record of preserving human live in human-bear encounters than firearms.

Lost Sheep
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I didn't mean for my response to be offensive. 6 ft, 190, and very experienced in firearms if that's what you mean by build and experience. I had asked for gun and carry suggestions because wildlife such as bears and hogs (which I've only seen and east Texas) are not present anywhere. What has happened are random muggings with handguns all over the city. I've ruled out every non lethal option (pepper spray, collapsible baton, knives) for such reason. I didn't mention it that I am leaning towards a Sig p232 because I wanted other suggestions.
 
Wow,

Didn't expect to get branded a "troll". My suggestion was merely to take some time to look at what the perceived threat was and perhaps a gun might not be the best "bang for the buck" in terms of weight/hassle.

I seem to have struck a nerve. In that case, carry whatever you feel you "need" that doesn't interfere with your running. Perhaps a .380.

I am a bit troubled by your "petty crime in the city" comment. The courts take a pretty dim view of shooting folks (or even just "brandishing" a gun) for "petty crime." Just sayin...*

Best,
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Why didn't you just say that? I'm looking at a gun to have when I run because of what can happen on any regular days and activities. A friend of mine was robbed at gunpoint walking to work in the same neighborhood. In his case, just as many other, non lethal options wouldn't have helped. I probably should've stated I wasn't interested in non lethal options. I'm not someone who brandishes guns or looks at using one lightly. You didn't strike a nerve and I apologize for calling you a troll.
 
I like my Remora, it works surprisingly well... but I wouldn't dream of sustained running with that as the primary holster.

If you are looking for such a product, Pistolwear products are MUCH better suited for the task. Alternatively, a few companies (5.11 comes immediately to mind) make quick-access waistpacks designed for CCW.
 
I just finished reading through most of your other posts on this forum. The insight thus gained added to your description of your build leads me to suggest that you already have the gun. The holster is the question.

Any of your 45s would do nicely,. A shoulder holster under a light, loose running jacket/windbreaker would offer adequate concealment. A harness with a wide shoulder strap would spread the weight and something with a belt-loop tie-down would mitigate the bounce.

Since most joggers keep their hands higher than waistband height, a swift draw from a half-zipped jacket could be a quicker option than anything from a concealed waistband holster or pocket holster.

Thoughts? Sorry, I do not have specific makers to recommend, but the characteristics I listed should be findable. There are also no shortage of custom holster-makers in Texas, I am sure, and I know a guy in Arizona... Do a search on "Simply Rugged"

Good luck,

Lost Sheep

edited to add: Of course, a light jacket in the winter in Texas would work, but in the summer...well you are back to a pocket pistol-size. There are several .380s that would do, but if you want 9mm, they are quite a bit larger than the .380. A compact .40 is only a slight step up in size from the 9mm, so I would look there. Perhaps an HK P2000SK or USP Compact in .40 or 9mm, since you seem to favor the HK line.

I don't know about joggers in your area, but a fanny pack with water, wallet, etc is not uncommon and a good pack made for holstering a gun would be my suggestion for you in the summer (or both summer and winter).
 
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I'm wondering if the others run with their solutions of choice?? I don't run regularly, but the people I see run wear as little as possible. Many wear a waist pack. ....and they sweat so much that a remora and the gun would be so soaked with sweat that it would need daily cleaning.

Off body is probably key to getting around the sweat issue. I think I would get a waist pack with a good holster insert or buy a hybrid holster and have it sewn in a running waist pack.

For a gun, I would limit it to about 20oz. Even that is heavy. I'm thinking Kahr PM9, CW380 or S&W 340 revolver.

I don't really know your threat level, but your actual gun choice will likely be based on that.

Like:
Kabul: AR carbine with a chest carrier and vest.
NYC: STI 2011 in 9mm for max round count
MT: dog with me, maybe a critter gun in a chest rig.
Where I live now: p32 in a pocket.
Houston: not sure
 
Never have been a runner and at this point I'm sure I never will be, but if I were going to be running in a hot weather area of the country I would go with as cheap and light a gun as would be reliable. Concealed and exercise = sweat on your gun. I would go for a Keltec. P38t or a 32 depending on how small you need to go for your level of activity.
 
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