Navy SEALS acquiring Glock 19s?

Internet myth, only an IDIOT would walk into a possible firefight with an EMPTY weapon!
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According to him, he wasn't in a firefights he was interrogating suspects when he used this technique and he had a ring of very well armed folks around him. He said even the hardest among them (those being interrogated) would start talking when they heard that sound.

That said, as nice as he is and though I consider him a friend, you're a lot braver than me if you want to call him and his contemporaries idiots.

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Most Glocks are USA made, just like most Beretta's
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But neither are American Companies. When I say "American Made" I think of S&W, Colt.

A Glock is still an Austrian Gun that is assembled in America and a Beretta an Italian Gun that is assembled in America.
 
A Glock is still an Austrian Gun that is assembled in America and a Beretta an Italian Gun that is assembled in America.
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Pretty sure the frames of US made Glocks are made here, perhaps the barrel and slide as well. It's more than just assembled. It also employs Americans workers too. Whether or not the corporation is stateside really only matters to Uncle Sam and what tax revenue he receives.
 
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Pretty sure the frames of US made Glocks are made here, perhaps the barrel and slide as well. It's more than just assembled.
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This is why all of my Glocks have "USA" stamped on the slides. Plus, the finish is like the old Teflon skillet pans. That finish is the toughest of all of them from what I've seen. All my US made Glocks have been 100% through many rounds.
 
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This is why all of my Glocks have "USA" stamped on the slides. Plus, the finish is like the old Teflon skillet pans. That finish is the toughest of all of them from what I've seen. All my US made Glocks have been 100% through many rounds.
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They are very good. The slicker finish is by far superior to the older matte finish for smoothing draws from concealment.
 
I strongly doubt I will live to see the end of the Modular Handgun bidding process, but obviously branches of the US armed forces anyway do their own thing. Recently, Austrian Media is full of reports of the famous Navy SEALS considering the G19 as their new standard pistol...

Interesting especially since guns are considered somewhat "filthy" in most of Europe's leftist media and I strongly doubt many Austrians actually know what "SEAL" stands for, but anyway, with the prospect of a fat deal for an Austrian company, an exemption is deemed appropriate, it seems.

Here's an English article on the issue.

Any thoughts or additional information on the issue?
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The G19 is simply a better combat gun then the Sig 226, its simple robust mechanism is far more durable and forgiving of environment, its also smaller and lighter, with exactly the same cartridge capacity, and anyone can be taught to rip it apart to the pins in just five minutes, really a no-brainer.
 
The slicker finish is by far superior to the older matte finish for smoothing draws from concealment.
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I've never had the finish on a pistol prevent me from drawing it from concealment. I have had slick finishes on a pistol prove tricky when I am manipulating a slide in inclement weather.

I like the older Tennifer finish. It doesn't snag and to me it's more scratch resistant than the newer finish. There are plenty of threads on Glock Talk where people complain about the durability of the newer finish. I think it's a bit overblown.
 
But with both Glock and Beretta where are they from? Where is the Parent Company? Where does the money go? Buying a Glock or a Beretta is not "Buying American".
 
The G19 is simply a better combat gun then the Sig 226, its simple robust mechanism is far more durable and forgiving of environment
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I agree with all your other points, but I don't know that I personally can get behind this one. While Glocks certainly have seen extensive law enforcement usage and military usage by certain groups and countries, the SIG P226 at least went through the initial pistol trials. Many people have tried to replicate those tests on Glocks after the fact, but the reality is it wasn't there. From a biased American perspective, I believe the SIG P226 and the M11 have had more hard use by American soldiers than the Glock series. Given the preponderance of US forces in military conflicts during the time frames of these pistols, I do think that counts for something. I carry a Glock 19 and I don't consider it an unreliable pistols at all, I just haven't seen anything that has convinced me that it is definitively more durable and forgiving of environment than the SIG.
 
But with both Glock and Beretta where are they from? Where is the Parent Company? Where does the money go? Buying a Glock or a Beretta is not "Buying American".
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Now that's a fair point, but what does "Buying American" really mean? To me it means buying a product made in this country and thus employing American workers. My personal opinion is that is of greater good to this country then where the tax revenue goes. There are American automotives that are built in Canada and Mexico. When you buy one such car is that really "Buying American"?

Now obviously with the American based firearm companies you can have your cake and eat it too. I guess my point is I am less concerned about the tax revenue. There are also levies placed on those foreign owned companies as well; Uncle Sam gets a share either way.
 
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I've never had the finish on a pistol prevent me from drawing it from concealment.
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I didn't say that. I said that the finish smooths the draw considerably.
 
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But with both Glock and Beretta where are they from? Where is the Parent Company? Where does the money go? Buying a Glock or a Beretta is not "Buying American".

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Now that's a fair point, but what does "Buying American" really mean? To me it means buying a product made in this country and thus employing American workers. My personal opinion is that is of greater good to this country then where the tax revenue goes. There are American automotives that are built in Canada and Mexico. When you buy one such car is that really "Buying American"?

Now obviously with the American based firearm companies you can have your cake and eat it too. I guess my point is I am less concerned about the tax revenue. There are also levies placed on those foreign owned companies as well; Uncle Sam gets a share either way.
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I'm not going to say I know 100% for sure because Corporate America is good at hiding money but I'm pretty sure S&W and Colt are 100% American Made, pay all American taxes and keep all jobs in America. I have heard FN is too. All three of them are fine weapons that are as god if not better than Glock or Beretta.
 
The line between where anything is made anymore is very blurred. S&W is currently USA owned, but was British owned for many years and many of the older "Classic" S&W's that sell for a premium were made during the British owned days. That never seemed to bother anyone then or now.

Most of our military rifles are made by FN in a South Carolina factory, why does this not cause concern. But an Austrian company who produces probably the most gun for dollar made in Smyrna GA is a bad thing.

The simple fact is that Glock can produce a quality handgun right here in the USA and issue one to every soldier in the military for less money than anyone else can.

I haven't seen the exact figures, but wouldn't be surprised if it would cost more money for the military to conduct their trials than to just buy the Glocks outright. No need for any more testing or to produce anything specific to the military. The testing has already been done and an off the shelf pistol is already as good as it gets.
 
Buying a Glock or a Beretta is not "Buying American".
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But it employs American workers. Workers who pay taxes and spend money in our economy. And it's not just the factory workers but the distribution, supply chains, and everyone else involved with these guns here in the U.S.

Those American cars made in Canada and Mexico leave a lot of unemployed Americans.

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I'm pretty sure S&W and Colt are 100% American Made, pay all American taxes and keep all jobs in America.
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I never said they didn't. What I did say was the second part is less important to me personally and is not what I use as a benchmark for "Buying American." Part of my point is that the expression we're talking about can be interpreted differently depending on your perspective.

I have heard FN is too.
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FN is a prime example. Fabrique Nationale is a Belgium based firearms manufacturer with a great history of involvement with the US going back to the early 20th Century. They may have a US branch, but the main company is foreign in nature.

All three of them are fine weapons that are as god if not better than Glock or Beretta.
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If you're going to talk about which pistols is better than another than that is a separate topic of discussion.
 
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Most of the BMW's, Addi's and Medcedes in America are assembled in America by American workers but are they American Automobiles? The owners manual in my Audi, which was assembled in America, is written in German first, then French, then Spanish then English. Pretty American huh?
 
Most of the BMW's, Addi's and Medcedes in America are assembled in America by American workers but are they American Automobiles
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Weird. Most of the Audis my family owned were German in origin. Where does Audi have an American factory?

http://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/where-are-audi-cars-built

It does look like in 2016 Audi will have a Mexico facility:

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140704/OEM01/140709904/made-in-germany-loses-more-luster-as-bmw-audi-m-b-expand-footprints

The owners manual in my Audi, which was assembled in America, is written in German first, then French, then Spanish then English. Pretty American huh?
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So your complaint is that the manual isn't in English first? Okay then. :rolleyes: The car is sold internationally and automobiles often end up in rental fleets so including all the languages in a manual is fairly prudent.
 
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So your complaint is that the manual isn't in English first? Okay then. The car is sold internationally and automobiles often end up in rental fleets so including all the languages in a manual is fairly prudent.
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If you read the several posts above you will see the purpose of this post was to show Audi, Mercedes and BMW are about as American as Glock and Beretta.

I have no complaints about my Audi. Bought my first one over 20 years ago and have owned nothing else since.
 
Pretty sure the frames of US made Glocks are made here, perhaps the barrel and slide as well. It's more than just assembled.
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That is correct. As I understand it, the requirement is to insure an uninterrupted supply should the U.S. go to war and be unable to import the guns or parts for awhile. It has nothing (or at least very little) to do with tax revenue or "buy American" philosophy.

My opinion is that buying a Glock, or a Honda is not buying American even if the ones sold in the U.S. are typically made here and a lot of the money from the purchase is therefore spent here. In my opinion, that's not the same as buying American.

I keep highlighting the word "opinion" because this is one of those issues where it's going to come down to opinion. Some people will be happy with a product made in the U.S., some will want it to be made in the U.S. by a company that operates in the U.S. and that is fully owned by U.S. entities.

This gets pretty tangled up pretty quickly. Springfield Armory is a U.S. company but nearly everything they sell is imported. S&W is a U.S. company but at one time was owned by foreign concerns. Dan Wesson guns are made in the U.S. and it was owned by U.S. entities right up until CZ bought it a few years back.
 
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