Glenn E. Meyer
New member
Well, I was being a touch silly.
The real points were that:
1. The best strategy is to get out of Dodge, if one takes a realistic view of saving just oneself.
2. If the family is there - I think we all agree that we need to get to them. That probably means avoiding the shooters if one can. Proactive engagement at a distance from the family is not going to help them if they are in another part.
3. If you see another armed individual, that person is an unknown quality. I would avoid such when fleeing or going back to the family.
I've heard presentation by terrorist experts who have wondered why if we don't have significant terrorist cells in the USA, we haven't seen such mall or other crowded area attacks. They certainly have been done in Europe and Israel.
The arguments are not that the terrorists fear the CCW type but more on the strategy of incident impact and that such attacks don't serve their interests.
Lott argues that rampage shootings have decreased because of CHL. I'm not so sure. The numbers are small and statistical significance is weak. We have no evidence from rampage shooters or prospective shooters that they considered CHLs. However, how would one get such data?
Shooting incidents in Israel seem to have diminished due to armed populace issues, though.
Some anecdotal points:
The guy who shot up the Jewish Day Care in California avoided another school as it had an armed guard (not a CHL worry).
Two rampage shootings didn't go well for recent CHL types - Texas courthouse and Mall guys. First was killed, second froze and was shot.
However, these are so small in numbers to be meaningless. We don't know if the shooters considered CHLs. Texas guy had armor but that was probably for the cops.
This probably has run its course.
The real points were that:
1. The best strategy is to get out of Dodge, if one takes a realistic view of saving just oneself.
2. If the family is there - I think we all agree that we need to get to them. That probably means avoiding the shooters if one can. Proactive engagement at a distance from the family is not going to help them if they are in another part.
3. If you see another armed individual, that person is an unknown quality. I would avoid such when fleeing or going back to the family.
I've heard presentation by terrorist experts who have wondered why if we don't have significant terrorist cells in the USA, we haven't seen such mall or other crowded area attacks. They certainly have been done in Europe and Israel.
The arguments are not that the terrorists fear the CCW type but more on the strategy of incident impact and that such attacks don't serve their interests.
Lott argues that rampage shootings have decreased because of CHL. I'm not so sure. The numbers are small and statistical significance is weak. We have no evidence from rampage shooters or prospective shooters that they considered CHLs. However, how would one get such data?
Shooting incidents in Israel seem to have diminished due to armed populace issues, though.
Some anecdotal points:
The guy who shot up the Jewish Day Care in California avoided another school as it had an armed guard (not a CHL worry).
Two rampage shootings didn't go well for recent CHL types - Texas courthouse and Mall guys. First was killed, second froze and was shot.
However, these are so small in numbers to be meaningless. We don't know if the shooters considered CHLs. Texas guy had armor but that was probably for the cops.
This probably has run its course.