tahunua001
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it's a guy on a bicycle being chased by a bear...
what hard data is this?
where is the 308/30-06 which failed to save this guy's life?
where is the 8mm which did save his life?
this is just getting obsurd.
I'm going to go full troll here and quote your second post on this forum just under 2 weeks ago.
obviously, judging from this thread you have no interest in learning anything. your only interest appears to be what you intend to contribute to anyone planning on trips up to Alaska regardless of how flawed your information is and how many people are telling you that it is flawed. here over the last couple days you have had so many people telling you the same thing, you can't keep them straight and appear to think they are all the same member.
every piece of data that you have posted,
1. bear information with little or no animal weight and method of harvest info given-to strengthen your claims of 650LB black bears, the 3rd largest taken was 375LBs.
2. field and stream magazine opinion piece-to scientifically prove that 323s are more lethal than 30 calibers.
3. unarmed guy running from bear that was scared off by pistol fire- to prove that he would not have been saved by a 30 caliber rifle
not one thing you've posted as proof is irrefutable, and most is almost completely irrelevant or entirely unusable as a credible data source.
EDIT: perhaps you are unsure of what credible sources are. here is something that took me about 2.5 minutes to find from a credible source.
this study conducted in hospitals over a 5 year period with human victims seems to indicate that there was no correlation between the increase in caliber used and the increase in mortality and everything to do with placement of the shots, although advances in medical treatments may have scewed results.
what hard data is this?
where is the 308/30-06 which failed to save this guy's life?
where is the 8mm which did save his life?
this is just getting obsurd.
I'm going to go full troll here and quote your second post on this forum just under 2 weeks ago.
Been reading and lurking for bit, thought I might have something to add especially to hunters looking to come up to Alaska or for mauser firearms. I hunt up here in Alaska….I'm newly retired, and hope to learn as well as contribute here on the site. Thanks….
obviously, judging from this thread you have no interest in learning anything. your only interest appears to be what you intend to contribute to anyone planning on trips up to Alaska regardless of how flawed your information is and how many people are telling you that it is flawed. here over the last couple days you have had so many people telling you the same thing, you can't keep them straight and appear to think they are all the same member.
every piece of data that you have posted,
1. bear information with little or no animal weight and method of harvest info given-to strengthen your claims of 650LB black bears, the 3rd largest taken was 375LBs.
2. field and stream magazine opinion piece-to scientifically prove that 323s are more lethal than 30 calibers.
3. unarmed guy running from bear that was scared off by pistol fire- to prove that he would not have been saved by a 30 caliber rifle
not one thing you've posted as proof is irrefutable, and most is almost completely irrelevant or entirely unusable as a credible data source.
EDIT: perhaps you are unsure of what credible sources are. here is something that took me about 2.5 minutes to find from a credible source.
Gunshot Wounds: Bullet Caliber Is Increasing, 1998-2003.
Authors:
Adibe, Obinna O.
Caruso, Robert P.
Swan, Kenneth G.
Source:
American Surgeon. Apr2004, Vol. 70 Issue 4, p322-325. 4p. 2 Charts, 2 Graphs.
Abstract:
In 1999, Caruso reported data from the level 1 trauma center in Newark, New Jersey, documenting "... an ominous trend toward the use of larger caliber firearms in accidents, homicides and suicides." Those data were derived from measurements of bullets removed from our trauma patients and submitted to the Surgical Pathology laboratory from 1981 through 1997. We further document this trend with measurements of similar source bullets from 1998 through 2002. During the same time, we recorded mortality among gunshot wound victims treated at our trauma center. Bullets submitted to surgical pathology during the years 1998 through 2002 were measured with a millimeter rule to determine caliber or transverse diameter. A total of 367 bullets were studied in this 5-year period. Bullets deformed beyond measurability (∼22%) and shotgun pellets (<5%) were excluded from our study. Bullet calibers were expressed in terms of mean plus or minus standard error (x ± SE). Mortality figures were derived from analysis of medical records concerning the outcomes all victims of gunshot wounds (E 922, E 965) treated at our hospital during the years studied and expressed as percentages. Linear regression of mean bullet caliber over time was performed, and analysis of variance was used to assess statistical significance of apparent differences in mortality. Bullet caliber continued to increase from 8.47 ± 0.22 to 9.16 ± 0.15 mm during the 5-year observation period. Linear regression reveals R = 0.9649, P < 0.01. Mortality ranged from 4.7 per cent to 10.7 per cent but the differences were not significant (P > 0.20). These data support a continued trend toward the use of larger caliber firearms in accidents, homicides, and suicides. Mortality does not change during this time and presumably because of improvements in treatment, from resuscitation to definitive surgery and its convalescence.
this study conducted in hospitals over a 5 year period with human victims seems to indicate that there was no correlation between the increase in caliber used and the increase in mortality and everything to do with placement of the shots, although advances in medical treatments may have scewed results.
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