oh....my.....goodness.
ok I'm going to try bullet points because this whole conversation is just one jumbled mess of opinion, bias, and for some reason defensiveness.
1. FNmauser. you like hunting, guns, etc, same as everyone here on this board. we come here to discuss these topics and exchange ideas and viewpoints. we don't come here just to rag on the new guys. you are incredibly defensive on this topic and right off the bat started making combative remarks such as the one quoted below which never end well for anyone.
So many rave about the 30-06 like it's the "magical" round.
my remarks for 30-06 had nothing to do with it being a magical cartridge or anything else. my remarks were geared at the fact that it can, and has for over a century now, been used to kill anything in all 50 states, even your big and bad Alaska game.
It's a fact….323 IS more lethal than the 30-06 under 300 yards and MOST game is taken between 100 to 200 yards
please cite your statistics here. fish and game hunting reports, surveys, published data of any kind that doesn't come from 8mms-r-us.com
2. which brings me to the topic of alaskan game.
there are Bison up here in Alaska
I never said there wasn't. in fact yours are larger than what we have in the lower 48, but I'll guarantee you that they have been taken with much smaller calibers than 8mms.
well you're not supposed to shoot them in the rear anyway. we have moose too, I've even been swimming in the same watering hole as them and my sister has been charged before... I know a little about moose, they may not get as large down here as they do up there but they are deer... that's all, just big big deer and any gun I would trust to kill an Elk(another big big deer) I would also trust to kill a moose, 30-06 would be plenty in that regard.
again I'm going to need to see some documentation, citations, etc. most everything is bigger and badder in AK but I have a hard time wrapping my head around western black bear reaching that size. eastern black bear(different subspecies) occasionally get that large but the largest I have ever heard of a western black bear was one taken in MT a couple years back that was about 500 pounds. grizzlys, browns, kodiaks, polarbear all are very large species and all native to AK and all regularly get well above 650LBs and citing them instead of monster blackbear would have gone a long way toward lending credence to your claims instead of gigantic blackies.
You can accept that or not, but those are the facts!
my farts smell like fine scotch and Cuban cigar smoke... really it's a fact, you can accept it or you can't. show me the documentation.
3. now to lethality.
Lethality would be defined as "expectation to cause imminent destruction or demolition causing death
you can give a feller a 50bmg, surely it's way more lethal than even .323s, but if he's flinching every shot, that animal is still going to be maimed, and run off and die in agony some place because the shooter missed the heart. if you can handle the recoil of a .323 or a 9.3 or whatever else you like, then that's great but if a person is not tolerant of recoil, you don't give them a 8mm mauser that still has the steel butt plate and expect them not to develop a flinch and botch their shots. when speaking of lethality, hunters do not have the luxury of removing the human element, same goes for discussions on accuracy, and methodology. sure a person can easily hike 7 miles into the bush and shoot a 1200 pound bison, but is that person going to even come close to packing out all that meat by themselves? sure a rifle is capable of shooting 1/4 inch groups at 100 meters, does that mean that the person holding the rifle can come anywhere near that level of stability and precision?
that is what Taylorce was trying to tell you and you were so defensive you thought he was just bashing your favorite cartridge.
4. ballistics. 8mms do not have amazing ballistic coefficients. taylorce did a very good job of describing ballistic coefficients and sectional densities and I'm not in the mood to beat that dead horse. you can try to deny it all you want but at your 300 yard maximum threshold that you have repeatedly quoted in this thread, 323s have a lot of drop, you can get a 220gr sierra game king with a very good ballistic coefficient of about .521 but from anything but a 8mm rem mag the bullet is traveling so slow that it will still have considerable drop. that is why non-intermediate 30 calibers are far more popular because they are a very good "compromise diameter" where you still get decent ballistic coefficients, decent projectile weight and many cartridges can propel the projectile at a decent velocity.
5. local preferences.
I know quite a few…none use .22
Might have been true many, many years ago….not any longer!
get out more, try moving farther north. it is well established that 22 calibers are very popular among eskimos. just because none in your little community that you know use them does not mean that none of them do. statistics is a wonderful thing. for instance. 27% of all M&Ms are blue, I bet you didn't know that, but I have opened fun sized bags of M&Ms that were 100% blue, no special promotions or anything, just all blue M&Ms in a single package. based on that one sample size a person could state that all M&Ms are blue and cite their personal observations but we all know that is not true because us, being the fat, candy loving, lower 48ers that we are, know that there are indeed, red, yellow, green, orange and brown M&Ms in addition to blue. larger sample sizes always allow for a smaller margin of error. your personal friends make of a tiny percentage of the eskimo community in a single isolated area, they do not constitute an accurate sample portion of the community as a whole.
and now to something completely off topic, for this board.
6. local demographics.
My family is from Kake, Alaska
kake is nearly in the southernmost tip of alaska. I highly doubt that you have ever seen a polar bear and are no more qualified to speak for their size temperment, and the tools necessary to hunt them and anyone else on this board.
your family is Tlingit, this is completely irrelevent to what eskimos use, eskimo refering to the Inupiaq and Yupik peoples of the far north which actually hunt in the far north and know a thing or two about large canadian/alaskan game.