tahunua001
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not that's it's not appreciated, those are both great photochop jobs, I just don't you to have to go through all those jobs on a whim.
My 91/30 mossin nagant project
- Thread starter Duzell
- Start date
well contacting archangel about the stock they are sending me. the tan or olive green stock, no word yet from my rep, but im hopeful, i was supposed to get it in july but nothing yet.
im starting to search around for the next rifle to build a project on after BL
so far looking at ones with detachable mags that are bolt actions
im starting to search around for the next rifle to build a project on after BL
so far looking at ones with detachable mags that are bolt actions
tahunua001
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well of the 3 I know of there are the Mossberg MVP which only comes in 223(though a 300 blk version was rumored to be in development a few months back), the Ruger Scout that only comes in 308 and the Ruger american which comes in a plethora of calibers but is restricted to 4 round mags(with the exception of the 22lr which takes standard 10/22 mags and can accept up to 100 round drum mags).
i actually shot the ruger scout and i was impressed with it. the magazine size was very long on such a compact rifle , it kinda felt like it should have been lower, but thats just me
the american is a great rifle and i will always suggest it, its is perfect for any shooter in my book, due to its flexibility , but choose its caliber wisely or your shoulder will hate you.
i was looking into the mossberg until weedwacker,another of our users pointed me toward another rifle that im fascinated with
the makers of the arisaka in japan, howa ,have a rifle called the howa 1500, 5+1 internal magazine with a conversion kit to make it 10+1 round magazine.
it has similar parts to the weatherby vanguard and similar bolt to the remington 700
it has a lot in common with the american in that it seems they took many good aspects of rifles of top rifles and molded into one. has a very high accuracy and no problems that i can tell. best part it starts 560$'s with an overmold stock, with a 2 stage trigger , big recoil pad and is in 308.
also it can use remington scope mounts (for long and short action)
im very impressed and im looking forward to hunting one down and adding it to my collection and then making it my next project
the american is a great rifle and i will always suggest it, its is perfect for any shooter in my book, due to its flexibility , but choose its caliber wisely or your shoulder will hate you.
i was looking into the mossberg until weedwacker,another of our users pointed me toward another rifle that im fascinated with
the makers of the arisaka in japan, howa ,have a rifle called the howa 1500, 5+1 internal magazine with a conversion kit to make it 10+1 round magazine.
it has similar parts to the weatherby vanguard and similar bolt to the remington 700
it has a lot in common with the american in that it seems they took many good aspects of rifles of top rifles and molded into one. has a very high accuracy and no problems that i can tell. best part it starts 560$'s with an overmold stock, with a 2 stage trigger , big recoil pad and is in 308.
also it can use remington scope mounts (for long and short action)
im very impressed and im looking forward to hunting one down and adding it to my collection and then making it my next project
tahunua001
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I was under the impression that the weatherby vanguard was a rebranded howa 1500.
Regarding the Archangel stock, been meaning to answer for a while. So I had slight mag issues, nothing that wasn't fixed by heating them up and expanding the center part that was bowed in. Also my stock doesn't free float, been meaning to shave off some material, I'll probably get to that soon.
My step son's friend has one and he did run into the issue with the rear screw/bolt (it being too short). We haven't done anything to fix that yet though, the stock screw works fine in it.
My step son's friend has one and he did run into the issue with the rear screw/bolt (it being too short). We haven't done anything to fix that yet though, the stock screw works fine in it.
now that i can answer
apparently they were not letting the magazines heat enough in the oven when molding them causing magazine issues, if you send them back to promag they will fix and send you some working ones
stock wise i know about it not being free float, the main problem is not every mosin is identical, they were made in various fashions over the years and quality is spread out. so the stocks usually dont come perfect and do need some adjustment, and if you have a bent bolt like the one from RSI it needs to be inlet
the main issue they ran into which has slowed down production is when they were doing the molding for the alternative colors (i.e. green and tan) the material flowed differently and ruined a few machines, they have now replaced the machines and getting other ones to do the new colors on but so far no news from them regarding my email
apparently they were not letting the magazines heat enough in the oven when molding them causing magazine issues, if you send them back to promag they will fix and send you some working ones
stock wise i know about it not being free float, the main problem is not every mosin is identical, they were made in various fashions over the years and quality is spread out. so the stocks usually dont come perfect and do need some adjustment, and if you have a bent bolt like the one from RSI it needs to be inlet
the main issue they ran into which has slowed down production is when they were doing the molding for the alternative colors (i.e. green and tan) the material flowed differently and ruined a few machines, they have now replaced the machines and getting other ones to do the new colors on but so far no news from them regarding my email
BL project overview
Black lighting project
(target rifle setup)
item lineup and the cost
Rifle
Mosin nagant 9130 (round receiver) 109$'s (big five) + 25$ background check
boyds stock (featherweight) 100$ + 12$ shipping
(drop in installation on mine)
Scope
barska 6-24x50 scope 2nd gen sniper rifle scope 50$ (usually 165$ via amazon)
30mm scope rings (barska) 12$
Scope Mount
Rock solid industries Bolt+mount combo 160$
+ 40$ gunsmithing
(accessories Misc)
claw sling(amazon) 15$
BLACKHAWK! Tactical Rifle Cheek Pad 13$
mosin plus lock muzzle break 45$
precision bipod 6-9 inch legs 25$
Black lighting project
(target rifle setup)
item lineup and the cost
Rifle
Mosin nagant 9130 (round receiver) 109$'s (big five) + 25$ background check
boyds stock (featherweight) 100$ + 12$ shipping
(drop in installation on mine)
Scope
barska 6-24x50 scope 2nd gen sniper rifle scope 50$ (usually 165$ via amazon)
30mm scope rings (barska) 12$
Scope Mount
Rock solid industries Bolt+mount combo 160$
+ 40$ gunsmithing
(accessories Misc)
claw sling(amazon) 15$
BLACKHAWK! Tactical Rifle Cheek Pad 13$
mosin plus lock muzzle break 45$
precision bipod 6-9 inch legs 25$
next rifle project,Howa 1500
now im looking at legacy arms and talking with the rep
i will get a green houge stock, chambered in 308.
im looking at the gameking as it comes with a scope + mount already, I'll get a better one on if i find either is unstable or not working for me.the price for such is 610$, looks like a good base rifle setup with a Nikko Stirling Gameking 3.5x-10x and a one piece base mount
i will then get the ammo boost kit, 10+1 round magazines detachable
after the magazine i will look into stocks, i found a Acis style stock that looks fun, but expensive.
mainly ill stick with the normal stock as i have heard good things about it
now im looking at legacy arms and talking with the rep
i will get a green houge stock, chambered in 308.
im looking at the gameking as it comes with a scope + mount already, I'll get a better one on if i find either is unstable or not working for me.the price for such is 610$, looks like a good base rifle setup with a Nikko Stirling Gameking 3.5x-10x and a one piece base mount
i will then get the ammo boost kit, 10+1 round magazines detachable
after the magazine i will look into stocks, i found a Acis style stock that looks fun, but expensive.
mainly ill stick with the normal stock as i have heard good things about it
sat shooting demo
the mosin did great with its barska scope, it was only zeroed in for 50 yards still but we adjusted it out to 300 and were hitting our plate dead center.
shot roughly 100 rounds.
though we were only demonstrating the rifles to new and old shooters, not a competition shoot, was just fun to hit long and short range targets.
my friends american was doing well with a bear hunting round he had, steel tipped with a soft backing, 40$ box of ammo. though later in the day his bipod mount loosened and so did his scope rings clamps, hell adjust them for our next shoot. and is talking about getting some new glass for it, and a precision bipod
-the guns we had were as follows. BL mosin, remigton 870 shotgun, m1a soccom(308), ruger american(30 06), a savage axis .223, a few 22 rim fires and a 44 magnum, a 1911 and a snub police 380 special
everyone had a great time, and we did an all day shoot.
what was funny was one of the older gentleman used the american and blew the chain link off the plate so it was swinging , and literally right after that his step daughter used the mosin to hit it dead center while moving at 300 yards. now the scope was set to 6x which i can understand but she had the parallax set to 15 yards, which made the shot more impressive
the night sight IR worked well when it got dark , as the mosin was the only one set up to shoot at night with it, we had some good shots on clay pigeons (the orange degradable kind). it was a great shoot and i hope next shoot goes well.
below is a picture of us demoing, ill have more to come. the mosin stands out with its bipod and shaded scope, and im in the shirt with the scary face on it (disturbed band)
we were hitting 300 up on a hill so the angle made it hard. i had to extend my bipods legs to aim right. my father is shooting the snub and demoing its long range ability that we all were kind of shocked at.
the mosin did great with its barska scope, it was only zeroed in for 50 yards still but we adjusted it out to 300 and were hitting our plate dead center.
shot roughly 100 rounds.
though we were only demonstrating the rifles to new and old shooters, not a competition shoot, was just fun to hit long and short range targets.
my friends american was doing well with a bear hunting round he had, steel tipped with a soft backing, 40$ box of ammo. though later in the day his bipod mount loosened and so did his scope rings clamps, hell adjust them for our next shoot. and is talking about getting some new glass for it, and a precision bipod
-the guns we had were as follows. BL mosin, remigton 870 shotgun, m1a soccom(308), ruger american(30 06), a savage axis .223, a few 22 rim fires and a 44 magnum, a 1911 and a snub police 380 special
everyone had a great time, and we did an all day shoot.
what was funny was one of the older gentleman used the american and blew the chain link off the plate so it was swinging , and literally right after that his step daughter used the mosin to hit it dead center while moving at 300 yards. now the scope was set to 6x which i can understand but she had the parallax set to 15 yards, which made the shot more impressive
the night sight IR worked well when it got dark , as the mosin was the only one set up to shoot at night with it, we had some good shots on clay pigeons (the orange degradable kind). it was a great shoot and i hope next shoot goes well.
below is a picture of us demoing, ill have more to come. the mosin stands out with its bipod and shaded scope, and im in the shirt with the scary face on it (disturbed band)
we were hitting 300 up on a hill so the angle made it hard. i had to extend my bipods legs to aim right. my father is shooting the snub and demoing its long range ability that we all were kind of shocked at.
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I'll never forget one of our first trips to the range a few years back when we (sons and I) first started shooting...
The RSO (who I later found out was a competition shooter) grabbed my son's CZ-75B that he had just received as a Xmas present, pointed it out towards the berm behind the 100 yard target area (about 115 yards) and proceeded to send lead within inches of some four inch clay pigeons up on the berm.
I've never seen such amazing shooting duplicated to this day.
shooting with your kids is great, gets them accurate and into good habits for later on. my father is part of the swiss rifle club and gets medals for accuracy from the swiss government, and has taught me all about distance shooting and shooting habits. hes great with pistols, but hes now trying to get into shot guns, got himself a magpul remington 870, he was shooting good, but we all sucked at hitting them, well besides our clay shooting girl , who blew them all away(same girl who used the mosin).
its funny, a older man brought his axis in .223, and could not hit anything. my buddy rob who is a new shooter(shot only 1 time before with us), tried it and i swear, shot 3 shots into the same hole at 250 target. our group has been trying to get him to shoot but he doesn't have time/money to get a rifle, and he was scared of my mosin and the 30 06 american my buddy has. after the shoot he asked the round and rifle that he shot, and is planning to get one.
the only issue my mosin had was the case on the way up to the ranch does not seal perfectly so by the time we got up there, my gun was encased in dry yellow dust, so now im putting it in black garbage bags to protect it from dust.. so its smooth bolt was slugish to me, but everyone had fun. a few new shooters with mosins also showed up and loved firing mine, said the boyds stock has no recoil, i say it does but thats me. i was using a wolf polyformance round, they were accurate, but left lots of powder afterwords. im hoping to find a low cost soft point for it to shoot water bottles with it, but thats another thing.
its funny, a older man brought his axis in .223, and could not hit anything. my buddy rob who is a new shooter(shot only 1 time before with us), tried it and i swear, shot 3 shots into the same hole at 250 target. our group has been trying to get him to shoot but he doesn't have time/money to get a rifle, and he was scared of my mosin and the 30 06 american my buddy has. after the shoot he asked the round and rifle that he shot, and is planning to get one.
the only issue my mosin had was the case on the way up to the ranch does not seal perfectly so by the time we got up there, my gun was encased in dry yellow dust, so now im putting it in black garbage bags to protect it from dust.. so its smooth bolt was slugish to me, but everyone had fun. a few new shooters with mosins also showed up and loved firing mine, said the boyds stock has no recoil, i say it does but thats me. i was using a wolf polyformance round, they were accurate, but left lots of powder afterwords. im hoping to find a low cost soft point for it to shoot water bottles with it, but thats another thing.
sorry it took me so long to respond
the m1a soccom is my favorite rifle, and i have to say the most accurate i own. i can drill 3 bullets in the same hole @ 300 yards using the sierra matchking or better with the hornaday TAP ammo. it has a Leopold scope , a titanium piston, new match gas rod , low sun optics rings, recoil buffer, the springfield scope mount, and now with a harris bipod, mounted via the m14 bipod mount system, its even better.
its an awesome rifle that i never tire of shooting. i just run out of ammo , but i love it
the m1a soccom is my favorite rifle, and i have to say the most accurate i own. i can drill 3 bullets in the same hole @ 300 yards using the sierra matchking or better with the hornaday TAP ammo. it has a Leopold scope , a titanium piston, new match gas rod , low sun optics rings, recoil buffer, the springfield scope mount, and now with a harris bipod, mounted via the m14 bipod mount system, its even better.
its an awesome rifle that i never tire of shooting. i just run out of ammo , but i love it
Mosin project "Complete"
i just wanted to note im basically giving up on archangel and their stock, they are no longer keeping in contact with me, and have not shipped my order (placed in march) and its just BS. i may get one someday but im done waiting for them to get there stuff together.
anyway this is my notice to those who have been following the project.
currently BL (black lighting ) is completed, and successfully proved my original concept
PART 1
A mosin nagant 91/30 with improved accuracy with bolt on parts that did not require a gunsmith OR permanent modification to the rifle. and swappable stock to original condition
was completed earlier this year
PART 2
A mosin nagant that was designed to be a target rifle out to 300+ yards
the project initially started with the addition of the RSI (rock solid industries mount + bolt handle)
-issue with bolt handle can be corrected with die grinder or a gunsmith(were it hits the top rear corner of the mounts underside.
NOTE:the bolt does not need modification just swap out parts like a regular disassemble
-SCOPE: barksa 2nd gen sniper scope (needs to handle mosin) success with 600 rounds down barrel and no loss of zero. i would recommend the scope without the sun shade so you can get flip covers, but the shade does function well
-muzzle brake: MOSIN PLUS BRAKE (45-40$) for 91/30 only
the price is if you have a front sight or not
very effective, and is more functional than the Barrett look alike brake, video to come to give further info
-stock : stayed with the boyds feather thumb-hole stock, very effective and accuracy did improve in part 1 due to this
all in all its affordable to make a nice rifle at a low cost and the dual parts gives you the choice of modification or permanent modification
but mainly this is a guide of my experience and what i feel are reliable parts and features for the mosin nagant.
the project has been completed successfully and im now moving onto the HOWA shinsetsu project. i will still keep active posts on the mosin and how it fairs, and show and demo shoots or videos that i do with it
-So thanks for following the project, and i hope ive at least helped a few of you out there, while on this journey. A big thanks to those who've been active in the project topic and helped me when i needed recommendations they were a big help,and also giving resources for parts and accessories. So i cant thank you all enough for being there with me and BL. i hope this serves as a guide for those, with thoughts of tinkering with a mosin or at least a reference resource. ill keep posting with updates and pics on events and such that BL is in. if you have questions on anything just ost or PM, i have no problem answering, im usually there helping with those new to the mosin in there threads.
Sincerly
~Duz
(pics of mosin and howa)
i just wanted to note im basically giving up on archangel and their stock, they are no longer keeping in contact with me, and have not shipped my order (placed in march) and its just BS. i may get one someday but im done waiting for them to get there stuff together.
anyway this is my notice to those who have been following the project.
currently BL (black lighting ) is completed, and successfully proved my original concept
PART 1
A mosin nagant 91/30 with improved accuracy with bolt on parts that did not require a gunsmith OR permanent modification to the rifle. and swappable stock to original condition
was completed earlier this year
PART 2
A mosin nagant that was designed to be a target rifle out to 300+ yards
the project initially started with the addition of the RSI (rock solid industries mount + bolt handle)
-issue with bolt handle can be corrected with die grinder or a gunsmith(were it hits the top rear corner of the mounts underside.
NOTE:the bolt does not need modification just swap out parts like a regular disassemble
-SCOPE: barksa 2nd gen sniper scope (needs to handle mosin) success with 600 rounds down barrel and no loss of zero. i would recommend the scope without the sun shade so you can get flip covers, but the shade does function well
-muzzle brake: MOSIN PLUS BRAKE (45-40$) for 91/30 only
the price is if you have a front sight or not
very effective, and is more functional than the Barrett look alike brake, video to come to give further info
-stock : stayed with the boyds feather thumb-hole stock, very effective and accuracy did improve in part 1 due to this
all in all its affordable to make a nice rifle at a low cost and the dual parts gives you the choice of modification or permanent modification
but mainly this is a guide of my experience and what i feel are reliable parts and features for the mosin nagant.
the project has been completed successfully and im now moving onto the HOWA shinsetsu project. i will still keep active posts on the mosin and how it fairs, and show and demo shoots or videos that i do with it
-So thanks for following the project, and i hope ive at least helped a few of you out there, while on this journey. A big thanks to those who've been active in the project topic and helped me when i needed recommendations they were a big help,and also giving resources for parts and accessories. So i cant thank you all enough for being there with me and BL. i hope this serves as a guide for those, with thoughts of tinkering with a mosin or at least a reference resource. ill keep posting with updates and pics on events and such that BL is in. if you have questions on anything just ost or PM, i have no problem answering, im usually there helping with those new to the mosin in there threads.
Sincerly
~Duz
(pics of mosin and howa)