My 91/30 mossin nagant project

Good reviews...

Your point about seating the action properly before tightening the action screws is important for any rifle, including the MN.

While most rifles have a lug, the block on the MN action serves the same purpose. It should be seated firmly to the rear, first. With the action/screws in place, but loose- tap the buttstock firmly on the ground a few times to seat the action correctly. Then tighten the front action screw, before the rear to equal torque ( a small torque screwdriver like the FAT wrench is good for this). It also helps sometimes to experiment with different torque settings to see the effect on accuracy.

Also like any other bolt gun, it takes but a few minutes to grind out the area of the recoil block in the stock and epoxy bed it. Any side-to-side "slop" is removed, and full contact at the rear is assured.

Just introduced a new Tactical stock...check it out and let me know what you think- as long as you like it :) J/K...
 
very useful information, i think that will help anyone who comes here and is thinking about getting an alternative stock.

what other stock? are you discussing the archangel ? ive tested that and overview a prototype of the tan, green is yet to be demo'd that i know off..

i know a few MN bull pupstocks, is there another alternative?
 
very concise, well thought out overview. it's clear that you've put a lot of thought into the parts you've selected. some of the cons go without saying.

the 'requires a bent bolt' con for example is a common problem with trying to mount a scope on military surplus rifles. anyone that looks at a straight bolt in the open position can see that it just wont clear a scope mount. it is interesting though that even the RSI bent bolt system couldn't completely clear the mount though, you would think that they would design both parts to have at least a centimeter or 2 of clearance.

one question. can you still use stripper clips with the RSI mount? that may be another for the cons section.



the 'must inlet stock con for the bent bolt' is another common problem with bent bolts on military surplus rifles. this is evident in the US 1903A4 sniper rifles as the standard bent bolts still could not clear the scope mount so they had to curve them into a semi circle angled up and then bend down which required the stocks to be inletted. the Mosin nagant and german snipers tried to fix the problem of having to inlet by mounting unusually high scope rails that allowed the conventional(in the mosin nagant's case PU bolts) bent bolts to clear but the side effect of that was that there is no decent way to get a cheek weld because of how high the scopes rest. the only rifle to solve both problems that I know of is the british enfield 'T' snipers that still used the standard bent bolts and did have a high scope mount but instead attached cheek rests onto the buttstocks to raise the shooters cheek weld up to a comfortable level with the scope.

my personal experience with the boyds thumbhole was a bit different. I had to do some work with a dremel to get the stock to fit my 91/30. not all of these rifles and stocks are built exactly the same every time so there will be some like yours that drop right in and there will be others like mine that need some fitting. the not good for lefties is just a problem in general with thumbhole stocks. my lefty friends hate when I bring my 9130 because the only way they can shoot is by trying to get their thumb over the tang instead of through the hold and the cheek rest is just not comfortable to use. I don't know if boyds makes them or not but there are some left handed thumbhole stocks out there but they have the same problem, righties cant use them.

EDIT: Duzell, I think he means that he just introduced one, check out the link in his sig line.
 
@tahunua001, i beielve your right, i dont see a way to use strippers, but i never did use them in the first place, i have 5 strippers for at range shoots and ive had nothing but problems with them, not feeding or being very sharp, kinda moot point now.... but yes thats a con for the mount as well.

though it would be less a con if one had the archangel stock, as you load the magazine with strippers as well i think.

what receiver style or year style is your nagant? would that have anything to do with needed inlet? could be important to note these differences for future reference

@tobnpr,

wow, i very much like the design of your viper, the red and black make it stand out,.

just from looking i can note the following
-covers internal magazine, that's a new one and very innovative
-nice sized recoil pad and design, will greatly reduce the recoil for quick firing
-ambidextrous design allows for left and right shooters, to use the built in cheek rest, which looks designed to the right position for irons
-looks to have a stable left hand backing on the magazine shroud

but one thing i find as a issue even on my boyds is the gripping on the front is slippery, i shoot at ranges and in dry desert areas. my shooting style usually needs a good grip on the front under the barrel so i have a stable shooting platform, with the magazine cover i note it could add some nice stable point, but how is the griping on the stock?
 
i think ill keep my irons as is for now, just need a front sight adjuster and i should start seeing groups towards the center

but ive heard nothing but praise for the smiths sights

i also hear that some prefer the
mojo sights


and that brass stacker has a front sight for those who cut the barrel




i recently ran across this trigger for the mosin, that dosnt need modification to add some more accuracy, any thoughts?

Trigger
 
I have no experience with the triggers but for $90 I would just as soon go with a timney, they have the reputation to back up their claims and for the most part it looks like all those people are selling are the triggers themselves, you're still stuck with the heavy stock springs and such. I'm sure they are better than stock but not $90 better.
 
mosin inoperable currently

well something i have to note.

i went to try practice loading with some fake rounds, the dummy ones.
and now the mosin cant chamber rounds, also the bolt became stuck in the load position, took me & mallet to open it and eject round, i inspected the receiver and it appears that the forward mount point, were the smith drilled and tapped has flared out into the receiver, and prevents safe chambering and ejection of round. so now having an inoperable mosin, i will be going to see him today and request he fix the rifle so that its once again functioning.

as i see this as a safety issue , i will not be firing the rifle until this is resolved

i also must note a few things about loading rounds with the rocksolid mount.
the bullets must be dropped over a lip and forced down into the chamber, it doesnt complicate loading though, smooth drop in. now after ejecting the one round i note the mounts ejection path will either be to the right of the rifle, or ejects them at a 45 degree angle, still the issue of the bolt hitting the mount , if i just shave the top off the bolt a bit it will clear, but i have an email into RSI's to see if they can correct this issue
 
black lightning back in action/ update

UPDATE
ok, went to gunsmith, he cleaned up the receiver area and we did a few feeds with fake ammo rounds, no issues.

i then got him to touch up the bolt handle by grinding down just a bit and now i can cycle and feed rounds easily

he also polished the bolt, it was only 5$'s so i wasnt put out much for the work.

now scope rings will be here
as well as my new case, as scope is to big to fit in ANY of my current cases. my friends thank me for letting them borrow my single rifle cases which are now useless with the scoped mosin

Current addition to the mosin target shooter
-scope
-barska sniper gen 2 scope, 30 mm tube, nitrogen filled , 6x-24x IR scope, with 2 illumnation modes, and a sunshade. its very clear, and everything moves exactly how i want it to, now if it will last against my mosin....

-scope rings
-barska low 30mm rings: they weren't expensive and seemed low enough for the new mount , the rings that came with would suit something like an AR, not a mosin

9130 muzzle break
now this was a tough choice, i had talks with zane g, maker of the barret mosin muzzle lock break, a few other odd companies, and finally landed on mosinplus

-mosin plus has, 2 muzzle breaks for the mosin 9130, one for those who have cut the barrel off now can have a sick muzzle break thats easy to install on and off

- and for those with irons (like me) you can have a fast lock, similiar setup as zane g's at a fraction of the cost, 45$'s, were the barret style is 150$ last i checked

- now i have the second 1 and i can say its solid and durable, and does exactly what it says, reduces rise,recoil, and flash.

also makes it louder, quick attachment even without the screws , will tighten the groups a bit

only 2 con's to this break and this also goes for zane g

1. weight, these break put a nice amout of weight up front, so if you have scout scope already, i wont recommend to you, as you will get tired of holding all the weight at the front of the rifle.

2. cone screws, while useful and fast to work with will tear into the paint/metal of the front of the barrel, fast lock's is underneath, but the normal cur barrel break has 4, this will be visible unless you use a quick paint touch up like i have been doing with the rustoleum paint(still impressed after the heat it had on it)

otherwise its an awesome and effective tool
RIFLE CASES

i never really stated what rifle cases i had so i thought id list them for you mosin users, pro and cons

1.Bulldog Economy Black Rifle Case with Black Trim (52-Inch):
with the recoil pad added this should still accommodate the the mosin as well as a scout mosin easy, not so good for the scope on receiver mosin as i found out, still using till i get the scope on, it is easy to carry and protects rifle, and it floats....?, no lock point, so take bolt out, or have trigger lock

2. Plano Protector Single Rifle/Shotgun Case:
it has deer and tree scene on the case, so for you hunters its a nice touch, 4 clips and 3 locking points,typical of plano cases, has egg shell foam for protection, cheap plastic, needs 2 normal locks and 1 small one, id recommend taping or gluing the foam as its not held down and will fall out or move, easy for standard mosin, but scoped in anyway can have issues fitting.


3. NEW: Flambeau Safeshot Oversized Double Case. i had to order this to accommodate the new 50 mm scope, not pricey but similar specs to the plano. i have yet to receive it, but it will fit the mosin no problem form the dimensions. maybe hold another gun in with as well, or just all my mosin accessories???

If anyone else got recommendations for cases let me know, im still looking for a nice soft case thats not pricey for a scoped rifle.

53" lengthx3"widthx11"high is my mosins dimensions with the scope

SHOOTING
so now that mosin bl is back in firing condition i plan to shoot this weekend to zero/test scope at 100(move out from there), then draw up a ballistics chart , and post it so if anyone else may need it, they can get one for the scope as a jpeg(ill make varying sizes for those who want to bring to range like me.

if anyone has questions on part(s) specs, or recommendation for parts to look into dont be shy
 
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low scope rings

the new barska low scope rings came in, list pros and cons


pro

-grip on inside of ring
-very low profile
-allen wrench
-low cost
-light weight

con

-2 screw points on each ring
- not a perfect round fit like the ones that came with the scope on a 30mm tube
-must criss cross pattern the screws to make it leveled, or it will bind the scope, or turn it from leveled position


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update: grg mfg grip

cool and thanks for taking the time , i appreciate it

Update

well got the new rings on the mosin, leveled and equal, kind of annoying, i would much rather have the old rings if they were lower

the grip, i have enjoyed the grip with shooting for a while now no issues , my only complaint was grip width, but that was due tot he bipod legs.

last night after cleaning i went to put my cleaning supplies, came back and the leg broke at the top and my rifle had fallen on its side, luckily i always place a few towels around the rifle just in case, so no damage to scope or rifle. but i have to note it broke.


i have an email into the manufacture for a replacement if not i return it


Edit:
grg mfg will not take responsibility for defective products and states not to contact them about it. i will not be recommending this product from this point on, as the manufacture has zero accountability for faulty products.

sad to say my cheap ncstar bipod is still functioning with minor scratches whiles this steel one breaks randomly with use
 
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I have a video where I compare Mosin Nagant trigger options, by testing a population of Mosin Nagant parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPn8IdNJ_SE

1) I find that the best option is to buy a Timney.
It provides a safety.
This can reduce the trigger force from 4 pounds down to 1.5 pounds.

2) I find that the second best is to bend the sear.
This can reduce the trigger force from 4 pounds down to 2.5 pounds.

3) I find that the Huber Concept trigger provides no measurable improvement.

4) I find that polishing the cocking piece has no measurable improvement.

5) I find that polishing the sear has no measurable improvement.

I show how to bend the sear the correct amount to maintain sear - cocking piece full engagement.

I show how to provide clearance between the Timney trigger and home made pillar bedding.

I show how to adjust the Timney trigger.
 

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Sunday shoot

well my buddy is bringing his american hopefully and we can try sighting the american and the mosin out to 100 yrds, then ill start the chart

mainly this will be a test of the scope, to see if it can stand the recoil, and shoot accurately. if it dosnt work ill send it back and get a leopold or a redfield, but i must say i really do like the scope, it is quick to acquire a target, zooming in, its very clear. i really like the paralax, adjustment, its lowest is 15 yards and the highest is infinite. i dont think il ever get to that point but all the same its a good scope for the money, and if it works im ok.

-it is warrantied and ive had 3 customer service representatives state it can handle 30 06 or lower, and since 7.62x54r is between 308 and 30 06 i think we are good, but if not, a good thing to note issues with the scope.
 
scope survived the day

Another bipod done
-ncstar bipod: still functional but one of the pins is misshapen and wont fit a swivel stud anymore. so now down another bipod.

the Shoot
- well the range was set to 50 yards straight line to target, shots started low right of paper. slowly adjusting my scope i did a perfect line up about 1 inch below/right of the X, with no gaps between, i was rather impressed but its at 50 yards not much to write home about. i then adjusted a few big clicks and got to be directly 1 inch below the x, but sadly at this point i was out of ammo, so a few click up and im dead center next shoot and moving the target to 100yrds. i was using the MFJ ammo, this ammo is consistent and actually shoots nice tight groups, the only issue i can note is that some have issues ejecting, not sure why...


ruger American

well he finally got this dead center at 50 yrds
 
the mosins barska scope seems to be handling the recoil, we need to still zero in at 50, then adjust out to 100 yards. the front muzzle break loosened a bit after 60 rounds but was still holding and firing fine. i took the sling and underail off and have had to modify my bipods clamp to now lock onto the swivel stud again. made it less bulky to carry, and since im range shooting i dont need a sling, we actually had a guy with a scout mosin shooting next to us. was fun to compare the two designs
 
thank you, if you need help or recommendations on stocks i can throw a few sources out , one of our members actually makes some stocks as well
 
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