Moving away from DA/SA

I personally like DA/SA guns, but if I didn't shoot well with them I'd move away from them too. I don't shoot Glocks well, so I steer clear of them. It's a nice thing to have choices!:)
 
I find that sigs are low shooters. I think it is due to the use of combat style sights and a low bore axis. I am not an expert though.
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Most people, including my self find Sigs to have a higher bore axis. This would be true with their hammer and striker fired models.
 
good point Worc . I always thought is was due to a combat pistol design and us e of combat sights. The designers and YOU know about bore axis heights. I have a hard time distinguishing this . I look at a CZ and know the bore axis is low. When I look at most other guns, I cannot see a bug enough difference when we are talking mm not inches. Of course, with shooting of handguns(especially), a few mm makes a huge difference with POI

usually, I shot one or 2 rounds to get the feel of a piece, then I can zero in by raising my POA so I get the hits I want(on the range of course)

thanks for the info

Rob
 
This kind of question always seems to devolve to an "I am right and everyone else is wrong" situation. I have used all those types of pistols and can do as well (or as badly) with any of them. I still like a DA/SA revolver, which I fire mostly DA, a much better trigger pull than most of the DAO pistols.

In fact, it comes down to personal preferences. Since the first days of DA/SA pistols with the Walther PP, there have been folks who disliked the "gear shift" and others who didn't mind. One advantage of the DA/SA is that the hammer can (usually) be cocked manually for a much lighter pull; the main advantage of the DAO is consistency - each pull is the same.

So there is no right and wrong. There is only a preference. Go with what you like.

Jim
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Indeed. Its what is comfortable to YOU.
To your topic, go to places that rent guns, try different ones out, then pick the one you shoot best and feel most comfortable with.
 
DA does have 2nd strike capability....I wonder how a CZ P09 would carry C&L.

Hmmmm.
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Gun no bang, rack slide fast and try again. Often, its either a poor round or your gun is messed up. Squeezing the trigger twice just wastes valuable time.
 
I am not trying to sound harsh. Anyone who can't master traditional DA/SA need to work on their trigger control.

I did it through a combination of growing up with revolvers & true DAO pistols. I also trained with LaserLyte Pistol Cartridges and Laser Training Targets on a DA/SA pistol. Without live ammo, every trigger pull is the first pull on a DA/SA.

The investment pays dividends because it improves your overall shooting skils: trigger control and grip.
 
Striker

I find that the striker fired pistol I have (H&K VP9 LE version), is a great pistol with no DA/SA issues. If you dont like DA/SA, consider a striker that is SA only. I also have a (new to me) PPK/S and there is an adjustment from a striker to a hammer, and DA/SA triggers, but I feel practice is the key to getting comfortable with any solution you choose.
 
Onward Allusion said:
I am not trying to sound harsh. Anyone who can't master traditional DA/SA need to work on their trigger control.

I did it through a combination of growing up with revolvers & true DAO pistols. I also trained with LaserLyte Pistol Cartridges and Laser Training Targets on a DA/SA pistol. Without live ammo, every trigger pull is the first pull on a DA/SA.
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Doing a special type of extra practice which is required ONLY for some guns, and which will be useful in real-world usage only ONCE out of every 10 or 15 rounds, seems like an unnecessary use my time and money.

More importantly, justifying the mastery of a DA/SA DA start because it forces you to develop better skills useful with other handguns doesn't mean you can't or won't develop those same skills some other way, maybe more quickly and less expensively. Why not just practice with a revolver if that long, heavier pull is really so much like a revolver?

But, if you came up traveling down the DAO and Revolver path, and you still had to master something, even to the point of use Laser tools, it sounds as though the longer, heavier trigger pull associated with a DA/SA DA start wasn't as much of an issue as learning how to deal with the DIFFERENCE between the first and second shot.

I have 5 DA/SA center-fired guns, and only two require a DA start when carried: a Gray Guns-tuned SIG P-228 and a decocker-equipped Sphinx SDP, and both are quality weapons that are a joy to shoot. I also have two SA guns: a BHP and a 9mm 1911. C&L is an option for all of my hammer-fired guns EXCEPT the P-228 and the SDP, just mentioned. Striker-fired pistols are increasingly attractive options for me, as well -- and I have 6 striker-fired center-fire semi-autos. (One, a well-tuned M&P Pro is simply superb.)

Put simply, I'm just NOT going to bother mastering the required DA/SA transition for guns that I know I won't carry, won't use for home defense, or for guns that I can I will always thumb cock before taking the first shot when shooting at the range. Other may feel compelled for reasons important to them, to go that route, but I'd rather devote that same range time and money to developing skills that will more directly apply to all of the guns I shoot.
 
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Doing a special type of extra practice which is required ONLY for some guns, and which will be useful in real-world usage only ONCE out of every 10 or 15 rounds, seems like an unnecessary use my time and money.
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To each his own. I was able to get pretty good with a DA first pull in a relatively short period of time and it allows me to have a single action trigger afterward that I wouldn't be comfortable with unless there was a manual safety.

I traded training to flick off the safety for managing a longer/stiffer initial trigger pull. I don't feel either discipline is that intensive and both are overstated by their detractors.

I may some day switch out my decocker for the safety on my P07 but right now the results I'm getting I don't feel the need.
 
I'd send that P226 off to the Sig Custom Shop for the Action Enhancement Package and a Short Reset Trigger;
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I have heard mixed reviews on doing this, especially the AEP. I've heard people say it makes a tremendous difference and then I've heard it said that it doesn't make that much difference and is not worth the expense, considering the cost of shipping the gun along with the cost of the service.
 
I converted to strictly DA/SA pistols several years ago because I felt move comfortable carrying them v. a striker pistol. There is a learning curve, especially if you don't have any DA revolver experience. After some trigger time with SIG P series and the Beretta 92, I'm now of the opinion that the DA/SA pistol is actually tactically superior to strikers.

Here is the first of a series of 3 training videos by Ernest Langdon (the other 2 will show up when you load this one). The first 2 videos are full of great tips to help with your training. The 3rd video shows why the DA/SA can be tactically superior by getting aggressive on the trigger during the presentation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsoX26OhDCY
 
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