Movie theater situation

[pax]

It's all about the Monkey Dance.

Walk away, man. You know you're capable of killing that punk, and so you have nothing to prove. Are you man enough to walk away? Many aren't. They are insecure in themselves and have to prove their manhood, dancing the monkey dance. But you don't have to do that. You have both the skills and the equipment to cut the whole scene short by KILLING that guy, if you wanted to. That means you win by walking away and letting the little dogs yap if they want. They lose because they didn't get the fight they wanted; you win because you know you have the ability to take them if it comes to that anyway.

Your sister was in no physical danger in that time and in that place -- until YOU put her there by mouthing back at the punk. That you had to draw the gun was a failure, not a victory.

pax

 

[robmkivseries70]

I have to agree about walking away. In many locations any type of "fighting" conviction would probably cost you your CCW permit. Luckily this ended well for the OP.
Best,
Rob

 

[robmkivseries70]

Pax,
The Monkey Dance article is extremely informative, thanks for posting the link.
Best,
Rob

 

[Re4mer]

Its hard to walk away. These guys were clearly punks though so my guess is you taught each other something. They will watch who they try and jump and you will watch what you say to people in anger. Hard way to learn but at least you didn't go to jail.

 

[rampage841512]

This all comes down to the same old, "Should you run, or should you fight?"

Fight, fight, fight. If you are in the right, fight. Not always with physical force, and not always with words, but when you are wronged, fight. Blindly accepting it is why our society remains the way it does. The apathy I see on this bored every day just makes me shake my head in disgust

Responding in kind to an attack, any kind of an attack, is not an escalation. At any time the initiating party, assuming they are in the wrong, can walk away or shut up. It's not about establishing dominance, it's about refusing to to be dominated.

 

[Kyo]

All it takes is 3 words. I am 5'10' and 145 pounds. I am kinda average height but I am SKINNY! Those magical 3 words are "Thats my sister..."
You would be surprised at how a small amount of intimidation in a shadow dance will do you good.
Pick your battles, cause you picked the wrong one. Waiting for him to get that close, you were either brain dead at the moment, or just wanted to show off your piece. I am not usually this harsh about things but thats what it seems like to me.
"Stop following us or I will defend myself" "Do not get any closer or I will defend myself"
You could have gotten in the car and started driving with the gun within reach instead of your holster(idk if you can in GA you can have it anywhere if you have your permit)
175 is not that bad. My best friend is 6'4" and 240. I stood up to him plenty of times.

 

[MLeake]

Have you ever considered...

... that in addition to advocating "fight, fight, fight" as a basic philosophy in a public forum, that the Rampage name might come back to bite you if you ever get charged with any sort of violent crime (IE something for which you would claim self defense)?

 

[MLeake]

Have you also considered...

... that by conditioning yourself to a response that you must act if anybody provokes you, you give the power in the situation to everybody else but you?

If I have to fight, I will. If I prefer to walk away, I can. My choice, not some idiot's.

If I think something needs to be corrected, there are ways to achieve that which do not require direct confrontation.

Sometimes, direct confrontation may be necessary. The thing is, I get to decide that. The other guy does not, short of actual violence.

 

[Kyo]

rampage you are insecure as all hell. i know that no one is going to dominate me. why don't you?

 

[onthejon55]

Pick your battles, cause you picked the wrong one. Waiting for him to get that close, you were either brain dead at the moment, or just wanted to show off your piece. I am not usually this harsh about things but thats what it seems like to me.
"Stop following us or I will defend myself" "Do not get any closer or I will defend myself"

He followed me out into the parking lot. The only way i could have gotten further away was by running and im not going to risk him being faster than me or my sister. Ive been carrying for 4 months and i still get nervous when i think someone spots my gun. I no not enjoy "showing it off". I told him multiple times i didnt want to fight and that he needed to leave.

 

[Tennessee Gentleman]

As a wise old mentor once told me "Never acknowledge the bird". Ignore them and walk away. Getting involved in a SD shoot because somebody mouths off to you is deserving of a Darwin award. Of course, I do know a lot of posts in these threads are just "wind".

 

[MLeake]

onthejon55

He followed you into the parking lot because:

1) You chose to mouth off and flip him the bird; not saying he didn't deserve it, but I am saying you should have been smarter than to do that, especially with your little sister in tow.

2) After responding to those guys in a way that you should have known would provoke a response (mature, responsible guys wouldn't have cat-called your sister in the first place), you took your sister and walked away from any authority figures who might have intervened.

So, yes, he followed you, but you chose the situation. Your self-discipline and tactics were quite frankly horrible.

 

[rampage841512]

Like I said, the fight isn't always physical. And a response, IN KIND, is appropriate. Ducking and running is a sign of submission, and thus when you take that action, you are dominated. Running away from a non-threat is insecurity, while making of joke of it (as I suggested in my first response to this thread) is a way of refusing to be cowed while at the same time not taking action that is a real escalation.

The idea that we give up all other ways of defending ourselves short of deadly force when we carry a gun is absurd. There are plenty of ways for dealing with the situation described in the OP that don't involve the use of a firearm or deadly force or willingly submitting to the abuse. You cut your own throat when you only have one way of responding to a multitude of varying threats of various seriousness.

Allowing a bully to go on being a bully is stupid, plain and simple, and just invites more of the behavior and an escalation of the bullying by the instigator.

 

[MLeake]

allowing them to dominate you...

Rampage, every time you feel that you MUST respond, you have allowed them to dominate you. You have turned yourself into a puppet, for any jerk to manipulate.

Still think you ought to re-think your screen name and your professed desire for confrontations.

 

[rampage841512]

He followed you into the parking lot because:

1) You chose to mouth off and flip him the bird; not saying he didn't deserve it, but I am saying you should have been smarter than to do that, especially with your little sister in tow.

2) After responding to those guys in a way that you should have known would provoke a response (mature, responsible guys wouldn't have cat-called your sister in the first place), you took your sister and walked away from any authority figures who might have intervened.

So, yes, he followed you, but you chose the situation. Your self-discipline and tactics were quite frankly horrible.

Yep.

"And she wanted to be raped because she was wearing a short skirt when I picked her up for our date. She provoked it by walking with that sexy strut when I said she looked good. She wanted it."

"He shouldn't have fought me when I tried to take his wallet. He made me kill him."

"I wouldn't have keyed Mr. Smith's car if he hadn't given me detention for being late to class."

Failing to meekly accept the wrong action of an individual does not make you responsible when they decide to take still more wrong action because you refused to let it go.

 

[rampage841512]

You have turned yourself into a man, for any jerk to self-destruct against.

Fixed it.

Rampage is a shorted form of "Ramsey Page" a pen named I've been using for over a decade. Try again.

 

[Tennessee Gentleman]

Ducking and running is a sign of submission, and thus when you take that action, you are dominated.

Dominated in what way? Are you losing money, freedom or property? Are you losing business or your job? Your life? These types are nothing but hopeless punks who will one day probably buy it in a drive by, and you want to soil your hands with them? What kind of sense does that make? If this is just about ego then as many have said you must have a fragile one indeed. I suggest working to improve that and the words of a couple of clowns will mean nothing to you.

Allowing a bully to go on being a bully is stupid, plain and simple, and just invites more of the behavior and an escalation of the bullying by the instigator.

Fear not, one of his idiot peers will cash in his chips one day. And then probably go to prison. The is a role you need not play.

 

[rampage841512]

You've been denied the use of a venue, the theater lobby in this instance.

Trusting that someone else will solve a problem for you is just burying your head in the sand.

Respectfully disagree, Tennesse? And let it lie? I think we've encountered each other's ideas and philosophy on this board enough to know we're not going to change the the others mind. I don't think going back and forth is going to get us anywhere. Nothing short of real world encounters are left, for we've delved into theory as far as it can take up.

 

[onthejon55]

1) You chose to mouth off and flip him the bird; not saying he didn't deserve it, but I am saying you should have been smarter than to do that, especially with your little sister in tow.

I know I shouldnt have said anything but sometimes you cant help it. If there is nothing anyone can say to you to make you mad then you may want to get your testosterone levels checked. Every man has his breaking point and my breaking point comes when my sister is insulted in public.

2) After responding to those guys in a way that you should have known would provoke a response (mature, responsible guys wouldn't have cat-called your sister in the first place), you took your sister and walked away from any authority figures who might have intervened.

We were in an empty movie theater lobby. There was NO ONE else around. If i would have stayed inside then everyone on here would have said "why didnt you retreat to you car and leave?". those were my too options and i decided to try and let things settle down by leaving. I had no idea at the time that he was going to follow me all the way out to my car.

 

[Tennessee Gentleman]

You've been denied the use of a venue, the theater lobby in this instance.

That makes no sense however...

Respectfully disagree, Tennesse? And let it lie? I think we've encountered each other's ideas and philosophy on this board enough to know we're not going to change the the others mind.

That's fine but I am not really trying to "change your mind". I'll let you decide to do that. At my advanced age I find it useful to sound out my "philosophies" and see how it plays back to me from others. I have learned a lot that way. You must be doing some of the same or you wouldn't post here. I hope you will consider some of the feedback you have received and maybe it will "refine" your ideas. I just hate to see people do things that ruin their lives. A failing of mine.