Mosin-Nagant M91/30, I think I'm improving.

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So, at my first appleseed last weekend, I brought along my Mosin-Nagant as well as the 10/22. I shot, oh about 25-30 rounds. Before I left, I took the cork out of the barrel channel, sanded it down to get the adhesive off. And man, what a difference. I'm not sure if this is shooting better at 100 yards but it sure seems like it. The instructor told me to adjust the rear sight to 200m, as a good group at 25m is most likely going to be a good group at 200m. From my recent training in Minute of Angle and bullet drop, I've discovered that I need to aim a bit higher at 25m, maybe 1-2", and that I need to probably double that at 100m. My rifle isn't measured in clicks (I'll let you figure out why not) but at least I know I can kill medium-large game with this rifle and be reasonably accurate. Here's the target, let me know what you think.

 
I'm a little confused with your methodology.

You set up a target at 25 meters and shot at it by setting your sights to the 200m setting? Mosins shoot high even on the closest setting.

Maybe I'm not understanding. Was that target set up at 100 yards/meters?

If so, it is definitely improvement. I would suggest setting the target at 25 yards and seeing how you can improve your groups at that range and then bring it out to 50 and do the same before going to 100.
 
Hey, I did what the instructors told me to. I'll take it out to 50 yards and 100 sometime soon. But yes, he said adjust your sights for 200 meters. It worked, so I'm not complaining.
 
Congrats on the fun (and informative) Appleseed!!

Looks a whole lot better than the last MN target you posted.

200yds makes sense. The 25yd sight-in has been discussed in depth on TFL. Due to the trajectory an average 30 caliber (or other) bullet takes; sighting in at 25yds should have you pretty close to dead on at 200yds. At 25 it is still rising at 200, it's falling. Doesn't change the fact that it actually works great!
 
If you're at 25, stay where you are until you're happy with your groups.

I am not sure if somebody is not properly communicating an idea, but it doesn't make any sense to have your rear leaf sight on the 200m notch... unless perhaps your rifle was shooting low and it was your instructor's way of helping you compensate? Is it possible you mis heard or misunderstood something he was trying to communicate? It's true that a good group should be the a good group no matter the setting, but then why not put it on 600m or 100m or even 2000m? Just something about that's not adding up to me.

Anyways, good progress! I'm finding Mosins are a challenge unto themselves.
 
I was kinda wondering about that, too.

I had one Mosin that shot low, the others shot/shoot high.

Not to disparage either you or your instructor, but what the gun does at 25 meters elevation-wise doesn't necessarily tell you much about what it'll do at 100 yards.

I'm more concerned about the spread you show at 25 yards.

Again, don't take this as criticism, but that rifle should be able to put 10 holes inside a 2-inch circle, even if the bore has no rifling left & the bullets go in sideways, during a hurricane, if shot off a good rest, at 25 meters.

I know you, yourself, can shoot much better with your 10/22 at that distance.
I've said it before & I'll say it again- I'd stick that Mosin in a corner someplace till you get a bunch more experience with riflery in general.

I know you're passionately wanting to shoot the thing, but it & you are not a good combo right now. :)
Denis
 
Thanks for the compliment!

I plan to do a little deer hunting in the fall and I want to go boar hunting once with it. Other than that it's going to be a fun plinker and hunting tool that I can pass on one day. I sure would have some stories to tell about it, wouldn't I? After all, it is the first gun, and the only at the moment, I've ever bought. :D
 
Sierra280's explanation makes a lot more sense. Are you saying you sighted in at 25m and set the above target at 200m? That's what I think Iw as getting from the advice also and apologize if that's what you were trying to say.
 
That's the thing, it wasn't a good rest. They weren't even particularly well aimed shots. I was shooting prone, rapid firing, and with the sling around my arm.
 
No, these were shot at 25 meters, my instructor just out of the blue said, set your sights for 200 meters. He said that I should be able to get good groups out to 200 without adjusting sights, once my shots start improving, of course.
 
Mo,
Once again, you're all over the map & getting ahead of yourself.
Shooting rapid-fire from a hasty prone sling-up at 25 meters IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO LEARN THAT RIFLE, or to figure out where it's zeroed at. :)

Put it in a corner, work on your 10/22 as we've discussed, get your .223 going, learn it, and then re-visit the Mosin with a STRUCTURED APPROACH.

This bouncing around is not helping you.
Denis
 
Well, I'm going to buy a set of tech sights and a GI Sling Soon. Until then, there's really nothing I could practice. The scope is clumsy and counterproductive. My current sling is god-awful. And the sling won't fit the 1" sling mount already on it so I have to some of those. I'll keep looking around. I am looking at either getting a Mossberg AR-15 chambered in .22nd at my local gun store, as it's on sale for $299.99 and it's got adjustable (GOOD at that) peep sights.
 
I have to agree. When I first started shooting, the first rifle I shot was a .308. I couldn't hit jack or shoot more than 10 rounds.

I got a .22 rifle. A CZ452 trainer. I've fired close to 500 rounds through it. I bought my Mosin and when I went to shoot it, I knew the proper technique to hold the rifle and keep it from bucking me around. No flinch and better control. Now I shoot the .308 and it feels like a pussycat and my aim is vastly improved with all rifles.

You are doing great and show way more self-motivation than most other shooters your age (or many other shooters at all). I would advise that maybe you see if you can't find a trainer who is willing to work 1-on-1 with you semi-regularly. They'll be able to diagnose things a lot better than we can and create a solution that works better for you.
 
Mo,
Remember our discussions about the 10/22 at 25 yards & 50 yards, with scope?
Then taking the scope off & repeating practice at 25 & 50 yards with the iron sights?
Then moving out to 75 yards?

I'm trying to tell you that you have a long way to go, you're not as far along as you think you are, and that 10/22 can teach you a heckuva lot more before you're ready to move up in caliber.

There most certainly ARE other things you can practice, before you continue to waste time, effort & ammunition on that Mosin.
I know you don't want to hear it, but you're just not ready for it yet & this hit & miss (literally) approach you're taking to learning how to shoot is doing more harm than help.

A sling, at your stage of the game, is not needed.

You have iron sights on your Ruger, learn them.

Peep sights are not an absolute need.

The Mossberg "AR22" is a lower-end plinker among the many .22-caliber AR lookalikes & may or may not hold up over the long run.
The one I worked with ran fine except for some mag-related problems with the extended one.
I've heard reports from others with lesser experiences.

It will not do as well for as long as your 10/22 will.
If you have to have an aperture sight, you can find one for your Ruger.
If you have to have a higher-cap mag, same.
The irons already on your Ruger will, if you learn them, translate better to your Mosin eventually, than an aperture, because the Mosin doesn't have an aperture.

I told you before I've shot one of my Mosins into three holes under an inch at 100 yards, with the standard sights on it.
You learn Notch & Post on your Ruger, you can transfer that ability to your Mosin.

You're motivated, I'll grant you that, but you're also impatient & that is not doing you any good at all.

Denis
 
Sorry. I know I can get a bit impatient sometimes. I apologize for my pig-headed stubbornness as well. I'll remove the scope on the 10/22. Also, 1 more question. The 10/22s rear sight has these little screws on them. Is that to adjust for elevation? Is there anyway to adjust the sights for windage? Thanks for you help. I'll be retiring Old Yardstick for the time being. Might even trade it in for a better rifle, who knows.
 
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