More open carry guys scaring the public

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SocialAnarchist said:
Some here have stated they don't support open carry in public, someone even called it needless posturing. So while they aren't calling for making it illegal, they certainly aren't defending my right to carry are they?
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I think those people are definitely in the minority here. Also, I think there can be some misunderstandings when people say they don't like open carry; that doesn't mean they don't support it. Me, I don't have any desire whatsoever to open carry, but I completely support others' right to do so.
 
I know in my county,after 9/11,our local sheriff did his best to create a workable concealed carry policy.He was taking some risk,but it worked out.
Over time,since then,policies have changed for the better.We are enjoying widespread concealed carry.IMO,our society is safer for it.

Part of this success,the responsible citizens who got their permit.They proved the dramatic arguements about wild west shootouts in the street wrong.

In general,the public knows this,and we have been gaining ground with firearms freedom.One root cause,the public has been growing some trust.

We can nurture that trust,like gently feeding twigs to a small flame,or we can be imprudent and drop a log on the little flame.

I am not alone when,IMO,I think we need to regrow this nation as shooters..but we have to feel the feedback.Driving a corner you have to feel your traction.Think of being stuck and gently gaining forward and reverse momentum to drive out.Being a moron and dumping full throttle will only bury you to the axles.

These in your face demonstrations do not generate trust or positive feedback from the public or media.They give ammunition to those who oppose our freedom.It is far easier to keep freedom than to regain what is lost.

How we get from where we are to (perhaps) where we want to be is largely about growng Trust.Being rational,mature,excersizing good judgement.

Sorry,but,given our society is in the reality it is in,I do not know how to see any benefit for the cause of firearms freedom coming out of the oc demonstrations.It is not hard to thing they will cause backlash laws that will take freedom away.

Would some OC advocate please explain what outcome they envision?The "From where we are to what?"What does being successful look like?

Once again,not traditional handgun carry,but showing up at a restaurant or Target with your AK/AR/.
 
am on my phone and unable to do quotes but in this topic and others on these forums people have clearly stated they oppose open carry other than on your own property or in the woods.

Frankly, as long as the law allows and I use my own common sense I will carry when ever I see fit no matter what some here feel about it.
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No one here as said you shouldn't be able to do that. They are just saying your head's not screwed on tight if you carry a loaded cocked and locked AR 15 into a donut shop. Catch the difference :mad:
 
Well Tom,

It seems that many here want to stop the open carry demonstrations with rifles. Yet no one, including me, said to make it illegal. The same holds true for open carrying a pistol. Some here have stated they don't support open carry in public, someone even called it needless posturing. So while they aren't calling for making it illegal, they certainly aren't defending my right to carry are they?
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Sure they are. What part of "we don't think it should be illegal but thats as dumb as a box of rocks" that you don't get?

I believe in the near absolute freedom of speech that we enjoy in this country as well, but that deosn't mean I advocate hippies run down the street in bananna hammocks singing "My Country Tis of Thee."
 
Posted by SocialAnarchist: Frankly, as long as the law allows and I use my own common sense I will carry when ever I see fit no matter what some here feel about it.
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Common sense tells us that, if enough people do not like it, "as long as the law allows" may not be all that long.
 
Posters keep referencing the use of common sense. The problem is there's too many people running around without any.
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Common sense is an intresting idea. I think this idea goes back to the John Adams quote found eariler in this thread. Common sense comes from people singing from the same song book. Today we have many many books, most of them written on the fly.
 
Can someone point me to a post where the poster is opposed to open carry. It could be I missed seeing the post.
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jeager106
Open carry is dumb, presents really bad image, says "shoot me first".
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biohazard313
i dont support long gun OC. there is not reason for it. pistol holstered and on the hip or similar fashion. just fine. ive OC'd my pistol for years and only had 2-3 negative encounters that WHOLE time.
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The problem I have with the above statement is he is assuming there is NEVER a reason for it.
 
Unattributed4Now said:
Frankly, as long as the law allows and I use my own common sense I will carry when ever I see fit no matter what some here feel about it.
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Three Problems:

- Common Sense is in the eye of the beholder. My common sense is much more sensical than your Common Sense. ;)

- Common Sense of any kind is increasingly rare/open to question these days. :cool:

- Open Carrying "...no matter what some here feel about it..." is an absolutely guaranteed way to jack up the public to clamor for the no-brainer politicians to enact restrictive laws. Now whad'ya gonna do, PL? :mad:

- My own personal opininion: Mature adults presenting themselves in a conservative/neatly-dressed-groomed appearance, carrying handguns, in secure hammer-strapped holsters, openly but discretely... are a far cry from some young 20-something slinging an assault rifle/shotgun over his back/under their arms and walking into a pizza parlor were I'm having dinner with my family....

Folks demonstrating their 'Rats' that way in this day`n age are likely to being misinterpreted -- and vulnerable to getting themselves shot by those who are themsleves armed -- but far less flashy.
 
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- My own personal opininion: Mature adults presenting themselves in a conservative/neatly-dressed-groomed appearance, carrying handguns, in secure hammer-strapped holsters, openly but discretely... are a far cry from some young 20-something slinging an assault rifle/shotgun over his back/under their arms and walking into a pizza parlor were I'm having dinner with my family....

^^^^ reflects the opinion of myself & apparently many others.
Our society is witnessing random public murders.
Why in the world would anyone carry an exposed long gun into a public
place?
Wonder? If some idjit carried a long gun into a public place & was shot by
someone with a concealed carry permit, ( or a police officer ) would the person doing the shooting be successfully prosecuted?
Would an act such as I just described be fuel for anti-gun people?
I guess it's true: "no one can teach stupid".
 
They put themselves in great danger flaunting firearms in the wrong context. Any fool that agrees with them on here, think about that for a minute.

I can see the headline "Gun nut shot DRT by Concealed Carry Permit holder"

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I use my own common sense I will carry when ever I see fit no matter what some here feel about it.
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That's not a problem if you use appropriate... what's the word... social skills. Or maybe "decency". It's a freedom/responsibility/respect-for-others thing. I don't see any reason OC can't fit with that.

The prohibitionists and exhibitionists are both bad -- not sure which is worse.
 
Not common sense, but rather self-evidence.

I believe it is accurate to say, "It is self-evident that carrying long guns into restaurants, department stores, and the like is unwise and counterproductive to the cause of advancing second amendment rights."

Self-evidence is something that is so obvious that it requires no proof. Or even, I dare say, requires no common sense to understand.
 
Today the guy at the court house in Georgia and the guy at Seattle university were exercising there right to OC long guns. These days when you see someone with a OC long gun you really don't know if they're exercising a right or ready to go on a rampage. It's no wonder people in restraunts and stores that don't sell guns are alarmed. The same way they might be concerned if police were carrying long guns in some of these places. It just looks out of place. OC a long gun 50 years ago wouldn't draw the attention it would today. I'm in a OC state, but you just don't see it other than transport, at a range or hunting.
 
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Its simple if resturants an other business don't want folks carrying long guns in their place of business just put up a big sign at the entrance no weapons allowed,this covers all weapons long guns concealed pistols etc.And if they still choose to enter than the owner has the legal right to have them arrested.Because they were fore warned by the sign at the door.As for places like sonic place the sign out doors where it can be seen where you order no weapons on premises.Wouldnt this help solve the problem ??
 
I just went back and reviewed the Youtube footage of Grisham being stopped while hiking with his son.

Put yourself in the place of the officer making the call.He does have a job to do,he was dispatched.He has a right to his own survival instincts.


Officer approaches Grisham,and tells him"Don't be touching it".Grisham has hands up,says he wont.Message was heard and understood.

Officer holds weapon in one hand,still slung to Grisham.Officer asks "Why are you carrying this" Grisham responds"Because I can"

Officer reaches to disconnect the single point sling attachment.

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Up to this point,no force has been used.I'm not an LEO,but at this point,I would want the assumed loaded weapon separated from Grisham for the remainder of the interview.Not confiscated,just off Grisham,so that I,as an officer,could relax about the weapon,and focus on the interview.

If,at the end of the interview,Grisham was wiythin his legal rights,Grisham,and his rifle,could be on his way.

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But Grisham makes one critical bad move.When the Officer reaches to disconnect the sling,Grisham grabs the buttstock to retain control of the weapon.He has physically resisted.He commands the Officer "Don't you disarm me"

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I have watched a number of videos about roadside stops gone bad.Lone cop,a struggle,sometimes the cop gets killed.Via the sling attachment,Grisham has control of the presumed loaded AR,and the Officer has his sidearm.

What I observed,the Officer appropriately took decisive action to stabilize the situation.I would have a different opinion had Grisham allowed the Officer to de sling the gun without resistance.

Maybe Grisham went out to have a good day with his son.From the moment the officer contacted him,he chose to inflame and dramatize the incident.


Where Grisham totally loses me,he was using his son.Its the son's Boy Scout hike.Grisham threw his son under the bus ,IMO.

IMO,he is a whack,and gets no respect from me.


This scenario could have been a good day had Grisham only complied with the Officer's order to keep his hands off the gun.He did not.
 
Well, like I said: " you can't teach stupid. "
The officer has every right, even a duty, to ensure he protects himself.
All that bull just so a citizen can openly display his weapon to needlessly
make a point AND put his own son at risk.
At best the guy was teaching his son what an jacka## behaves like.
 
UncleBuck:Where & when did I ever post that I was OPPOSED to open carry????????? I said in my opinion it was dumb.
It IS dumb, but I never, ever, wrote it should be NOT LEGAL!
Open carry is asking for trouble, sends a message, a message that could get the o/c person shot dead in todays world of mass, public, random, murders.
What about o/c is worth scaring people, sending the picture of an awful, immature, childish, gun nut, pistol/rifle slinging, egocentric, irresponsible gun owner that must make a public statement that is so negative?
I ask those that see openly carrying a rifle in a puclic place "reasonable":
If some person shot the o/c person deader than a free lunch what would be the likelyhood of the shooter being successfully prosecuted for the killing?
What happens when a police officer attempts to disarm a person for openly carrying a rifle in a public building?
The person openly carrying want to make a point saying, " don't disarm me" & the copper does disarm the stupid person carrying a long gun in public, a suffle ensues, the gun discharges, someone gets shot.
Would that be worth making a public statement by o/c like we've seen in recent phots?
Those photos embarass ME as a gun owner.
I can make no reasonable defense for those kinds of idiotic actions.
 
This scenario could have been a good day had Grisham only complied with the Officer's order to keep his hands off the gun. He did not.
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Spot on. He's lucky he didn't get shot.

It's not really surprising that a group of people who see Grisham as a hero, a leader, and someone to lionize, would exercise poor judgement in other areas as well.
 
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