More open carry guys scaring the public

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I have to wonder if these in your face gun rights/open carry peop[le afre really pro-gun people or anti-gun types who are using guns and even NRA memberships as a back door method of convincing people of the danger of people carrying guns, openly or concealed? Something doesn't smell quite right to me.
Paul B.
 
If you want to win people over to the idea of open carry, you need to be the example of the kind of person people would feel comfortable seeing armed. Walking around with an AK in jeans and a t-shirt probably ain't gonna cut it!

Heck, I support open carry, and even I think this is stupid.
 
That IS stupid and smacks of a gun tottin' redneck with 'baccy juice dribblin' out the corners of his mouth, no front teeth, singin' Dixie, while playin' Rambo in the bakery!:mad::mad:
I want nothing to do with idiots like that.
If I were still a police officer and was called to a situation like that I'd be mighty tempted to arrest that pair for menacing, disorderly conduct, or aggrevated stupidity, just to make a point.
Get that pair before an anti-gun judge and I bet they'd do jail time.
 
I am appalled at these OC activists. They are making RKBA look fringe. They have the right to do it, but it's counter-productive. I'm disgusted that the NRA caved.
 
The NRA caved?

Like they did in CA? People were warned, that they shouldn't be openly carrying (with unloaded guns - they only lawful method at that time) en mass into starbucks, etc. The CalGuns Foundation and the NRA warned these people, that they were doing more harm than good. They didn't listen.

What Happened? The CA State legislature closed that "loophole" and no carry is permitted without having a CC license.

Do you really think that can't happen in TX?
 
I'm not in favor of OC without a reason. You are hunting, hiking in the woods fine. But, if you are amongst the public throw a cover garment over it. I OC everyday as a Cop, if I wasn't getting paid there is no way I would. The situational awareness needed to protect that gun is exponentially higher than a concealed weapon.
These long gun demonstrations are counter productive in the extreme. It's a shame that the NRA caved
 
Wagonman

I'm not in favor of OC without a reason. You are hunting, hiking in the woods fine. But, if you are amongst the public throw a cover garment over it. I OC everyday as a Cop, if I wasn't getting paid there is no way I would. The situational awareness needed to protect that gun is exponentially higher than a concealed weapon.

I choose to open carry because right now I do not have my concealed carry permit. That is MY reason. If I throw a cover garment over it I am violating the law.

These long gun demonstrations are counter productive in the extreme. It's a shame that the NRA caved.

I agree that the confrontational style of these demonstrations has a negative affect on gun rights.
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Not everyone that open carries is looking to make some huge statement, some are just exercising their constitutional rights.
 
^ This.

It is after all, a RIGHT.

Do I agree with the people that open carry AR rifles at public restaraunts? Yes, in fact I do. I consider them to be true American patriots who are simply exercizing their rights as citizens of the United States. They are 100% in the right to do this, both legally AND morally, and if someone gets a little upset in the process that is simply too bad. JMHO.

YMMV.

-M12 Winny
 
It is a right, sure.

But is it done in an appropriate and non-threatening manner?

That is the better question.

I'm not going to walk around the public library with my rifle openly carried if it will scare the children. On the other hand, if I'm walking around the woods or within my property I will open carry my weapon.
 
Do I agree with the people that open carry AR rifles at public restaraunts? Yes, in fact I do. I consider them to be true American patriots who are simply exercizing their rights as citizens of the United States. They are 100% in the right to do this, both legally AND morally, and if someone gets a little upset in the process that is simply too bad. JMHO.
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With all due respect, you have just described yourself as part of the problem. . .not the solution.
 
The CA State legislature closed that "loophole" and no carry is permitted without having a CC license.
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...which may prove beneficial in the long run. If the 9th and ultimately the Supremes didn't have prohibition of ALL carry without a may issue (most likely won't issue) permit, then they could gleefully point to the unloaded carry law as permitting "bearing" arms. After all, the the 2nd Amendment doesn't say we have the right to bear LOADED arms. <Sarcasm Off>

Don't get me wrong -- I'm 100% behind the NRA distancing themselves from this counterproductive behavior. It may not cost us concealed carry in Texas, but it will likely lead to major restrictions on carrying long guns in built-up areas. :mad:
 
I do not consider OC, in and of itself, to be the problem. The problem is inappropriate OC. Arkansas has not been an OC state in my memory, and our carry laws are currently in flux. I say that to explain why someone OCing a rifle may or may not raise eyebrows for me. If I were to see someone OCing a rifle at Mack's Prairie Wings, my assumption would be that the OCer is there to sell the rifle, or maybe have it repaired. Someone OC-ing at Home Depot, well, Home Depot doesn't buy, sell, or repair rifles, so that's "out of context." At that point, part of that equation would depend on how the OCer was carrying. AR slung over his back? I *might* (or might not) think that he or she didn't want to leave the AR in the car, for whatever reason. However, if someone walks into my local restaurant with a rifle at low ready, magazine in, that will send up all kinds of red flags for me. It's out of context and carried in a manner that suggests imminent use.

ETA: I'd also point out that the right to OC does not necessarily include a right to OC on someone else's private property.
 
Model12Win said:
Do I agree with the people that open carry AR rifles at public restaraunts? Yes, in fact I do. I consider them to be true American patriots who are simply exercizing their rights as citizens of the United States. They are 100% in the right to do this, both legally AND morally, and if someone gets a little upset in the process that is simply too bad. JMHO.
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This is possibly one of the most ignorant statements I've seen in this thread. Sure it's their right to do that ... for now. But it won't continue to be their right for very long if they keep this up.

And it's "simply too bad" if we continue to lose this fight because of these protests? If you support these morons, why not just join Moms Demand Action? Because if you're going to support open-carry activists who are working hard to take away our gun rights, you'd be better off just joining an anti-gun group and skipping the middlemen.
 
^ This.

It is after all, a RIGHT.

Do I agree with the people that open carry AR rifles at public restaraunts? Yes, in fact I do. I consider them to be true American patriots who are simply exercizing their rights as citizens of the United States. They are 100% in the right to do this, both legally AND morally, and if someone gets a little upset in the process that is simply too bad. JMHO.

YMMV.

-M12 Winny
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1. How does that heelp move forward handgun OC?
2. How does that move forward firearms rights?
3. How on earth does anyone think they are morally right in bringing rifles into restaurants? There is no historical basis for this, for the same reason its not done now: ITS UTTERLY STUPID AND THERE'S NO REASON TO DO SO.

They are grandstanders trying to get hits on Youtube, nothing more.
 
It's not all bad that these idiots OC and get it banned. It means that the people that are serious about carry—can carry concealed and have an advantage over... idiots. Where's the problem? Most rules that ban OC are not legally enforceable.

No one can pass laws for this store or that store, those are private rules not laws. The most that can happen is that they get a trespass infraction. Having OC guns banned puts them out of sight. Out of sight means out of mind, and then maybe the politicians will leave us alone. In another imaginary make believe world.

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No one can pass laws for this store or that store, those are private rules not laws. The most that can happen is that they get a trespass infraction.
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Yes, but that's still a problem that didn't exist before these guys went on their parade of narcissism.

Having OC guns banned puts them out of sight. Out of sight means out of mind, and then maybe the politicians will leave us alone.
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Guess again. They'll never leave us alone.

This has done nothing, repeat nothing, to help us.
 
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