Mom just told me guns are evil..help me with my sanity

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Always follow up with the core idea that a gun assures our protection against a
corrupt government.[/quote]

I dare not mention that aspect of it, I will be labeled a cult member! :D Then she will really think I am brainwashed. I think I'll stay away from that part. The protection part of it is what I am working on. She's going to be a tough one. But she needs to be educated, obviously she is getting her information just from the media. Gee I wonder where I got it from? :D

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Fortunately my wife is progun and we are raising pro-gun kids - much to the
consternaiton of my folks - hahahahahahahaha[/quote]

:D I am going to raise mine as well. We need to start a new generation off on the right foot! :)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Imagine how upset they'd be if you actually had a gun.[/quote]

Yeah, that's why I am 'breaking' them in now :D.

I read over some of the ideas you all have mentioned and I will keep them all in mind. :)

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I would agree with staying away from the 'militia' and 'corrupt government' arguments with most folks. Too far out for them.

Miss D, sounds like you're doing well. Remember that it is unlikely even in your family that everyone that appears anti-self defense is really looking at things the same way. Make your points few at a time, and with only one or two family members at a time. Stay logical, and you should be able to bring some of them along. Emphasize self defense - most people eventually understand at least that part.

Regarding the silly 'guns are only made to kill' argument, make sure you explain that 'guns terminate violence'. 99.8% of guns are never used in a crime, much less to kill anyone. Why would we describe their use as killing if it happens so rarely? And, we don't give firearms to LEO's so they can kill people, do we? Of course not. And, it is the same truth for honest civilians, like you and your family.

This is how the war is one. One person at a time. One family at a time. One debate, at a time.

We eventually ended our disastrous participation in the Vietnam War to a great extent because people talked to each other, and little by little changed their perspectives on that conflict. However, you feel about that war, we're involved in another 'war' right now, regarding the RKBA.

People, like you, will win this war by constantly and logically pointing out the truth to friends, neighbors, coworkers and ... family members.

Give it 12 months, and I'll bet you'll have a few converts. Make sure you take them to the range. Logic and truth are on your side.

Good luck, Miss D. Regards from AZ
 
Re what you describe as your mothers opinion's, thinking or whatever you might call it, you sound like you are old enough to make your own decisions. She is certainly old enough to make hers.

You pay your money, and make your choices.
 
My family is opposite. My father, mother, brother and sister and I would shoot together. When I learned to shoot DA revolver (in the DA mode), I learned on my sister's Python.

Sandy, stick to your guns. Easiest way to win a person over is to take them to the range. Do it only one relative at a time and make sure (s)he has fun. Good luck.
 
I just realized how lucky I am in this respect. My Mom knows I carry concealed virtually all the time, and about all she ever says (if anything) is, "Do you really think you need that here?" (usually with a smirk). I just say, "I HOPE not!", or "Mom....seat belts; yes or no?" and it ends there, usually with both of us laughing. Open carry is legal here in South Dakota also, and although I rarely carry that way, my Mom hardly even notices I'm carrying, and is either totally oblivious or just says, "When did you get that one?" Gotta love that lady! Take Care- Dakotan
 
I'm not going to give you any advise on this matter because I'm sure that you've already read a lot of good points and you might have even written some of them in other posts. Instead, I am going to share with you some of my experiences and maybe you'll find some comfort there.

My wife (before she was my wife) was open to the idea of firearms -- she wasn't pro but she wasn't anti either -- she was open (because one of her uncles literally had dozens of guns all over his house) and I even took her shooting with me a few times before we were married.

Then we moved from the backward state (with regard to firearms) of Jersey to the hot & humid Florida swamp where the firearm laws are more civilized compared to Jersey. Unfortunately, the home we were having built got delayed by several months and we had no place to stay so my in-laws agreed to put us up.

The majority of our stuff was placed in storage excepts for about 2 weeks worth of cloths (laundry every weekend), the baby stuff and my guns. One of my sister-in-laws was flat out against having any guns in the house and she's a doctor of psychology so rationally arguing with her was impossible because she knew all of the tricks to counter attack any point that I was trying to make.

So, I basicly said, "Look. It's your house & your rules. If you don't want the guns here than that's fine but these guns are registered in my name back in Jersey and I can't get rid of them because there is no registration process here in Florida and if I sell them, they'll still be associated with me back in Jersey and if they are used in a crime, they will come after me and your sister (my wife) will end of having to raise our daughter by herself because I'm going to end up getting locked up for a crime that was committed with my gun. So, if you don't want the guns in the house, then we're just going to have to make other living arrangements."

The fact that they were really crazy about my daughter (their neice) also helped a lot because they didn't want us moving out. So she agreed to have the guns in the house but without any bullets. At the time, all of my guns were pistols, so it was a simple matter to have spare, hidden magazines loaded up with ammo. Sneaking the ammo into the house was a bit of a problem but it was hidden in the car and I broughtit in with the baby supplies.

While living there, my wife pretty much stayed neutral but when push came to shove, she took the anti-gun position. When I got my Florida CCW license and began reading gun rags about which firearm to get for concealed carry (because of the hot & humid weather, the guns that I already owned were just slightly too big to carry completely concealed -- it wouldn't have been a problem up north but down here it just wasn't possible).

Again, I would hear "Why do you need more than ONE gun?" I came back with "Why do you have tons of earrings, watches, bracelets, etc.? You have thousands of dollars invested in that. Well, different ones go with different outfits. Well, one gun is a 'good stopper' but if I have to shoot against a lot of people (such as Y2K), then I might go for a slightly weaker gun but which holds a lot more ammo. Another gun is small for compact carry while another is large to use against animals (such as alligators)."

I think I made my point because they sort of dropped the subject. As I said, we lived there for several months and half that time I walked around the house with a Kahr MK9 in an inside the waist belly band and nobody knew that it was there with the exception of my wife who either saw me put it on in the morning or take it off at night. Eating supper with them, watching TV on the sofa, playing around on the floor with the baby, etc. -- they never knew that I was armed.

They knew they weren't going to change me (and I've pretty much accepted the fact that I'm not going to change them) and so to keep the peace (we're a pretty close family) we don't talk about it too much. When the subject does come up I usually bring up the following point: "Some teenager half my age breaks into our home looking for money to buy drugs. How am I going to defend my family? He's younger, stronger, bigger & faster than me and will be able to quickly overpower me and might do things that I don't even want to think about to my wife, (your sister) and my daughter. Yeah, we could call the police, but even the best response time is 3 or 4 minutes. Do you know what can happen in that time? Try counting slowly to 180 and see how LONG their FASTEST response time is.

When I put it this way, it usually makes them uncomfortable and they drop they subject. I also take comfort in the fact that their uncle is very pro-gun (you can't walk into any room of his house without seeing at least a couple of guns around the place) and he has even given me a few guns from his collection so that sort of helps me in my pro-gun position against my in-laws.

I don't know if this has helped you any but maybe it will offer some comfort that you are not alone and maybe something from my story might prove beneficial to you.

Regards,
FUD
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Share what you know, learn what you don't.
 
I like the "You love me and I am a gun owner so you must love gun owners" defense. While not a serious argument, it makes them stop and address that if you don't fit their stereotypes that others don't either.
 
Sandy, I hope we didn't get you in trouble with that husband of yours. We certainly didn't want to do that. Getting in trouble over such a lousy show would be twice as bad. :rolleyes:

If all else, fails, deny it was a gun show--tell her you were at an "Oasis" (and wink at her several times.) She'll get the picture.
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Erik has a good point--you want a gun, and she loves you, so people who want to own guns can't be all evil. Another good one is to ask if police guns are evil. (And if she says no, then offer to get a police trade-in! :D ) See what she says to that.

Of course, you're going to have to start out by getting her to honestly tell you whether she believes that people, and women in particular, really have any right to defend themselves if violence is required. Some people just don't. If she doesn't you'll have to start out on a very basic level and try to establish why your life should be more valuable than your mugger's life.

I'd also suggest that if you can get her in front of a computer, you should have her take Oleg's quiz: http://www.dd-b.net/RKBA
 
Jeff Cooper once said "Any rational adult who believes that inanimate objects have personalities/attitudes skewed towards evil or destruction should realize they're not making sense and should stay out of adult conversations."

Not the nicest way to prove your point, but...



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"Oh yeah? Well I talk LOOOUDLY! And I carry a BIIIGGER stick! And I'll use it, too." -Yoesemite Sam
 
I have a mother-in-law thats anti-gun. She looses every debate. I've used anything from 2nd Amendment principles to the fact that criminals fear armed citizens.

Another good one I used is that I know anti-gunners who became pro-gun. Never in my life have I seen one law abiding gun owner go the other way. Has anyone seen a law abiding pro Second Amendment gun owner turn anti?

Shok
 
Good Luck.
Reason and logic are our first tools in the debate, the problem is that most anti's dont want to use logic or are incapable of reason on the subject. If one must use emotion and feelings it is much harder, the only question I have found that has some resonance is to the effect What would you do to protect your kids or grandkids ? The normal answer is anything usaualy, then ask so your problem is not with doing somthing possibly violent to protect your kids / grandkids it is just being prepared right ?
 
I remember hearing a song a while back that had a line in it like," a six gun is the devil's hand". Evil gun...sounds like idolatry to me. Woodman
 
I started shooting a 1911 .45 when I was 17. My mother came along with us one day and demanded her turn at bat and blasted away as well (this, in the days before earmuffs). Of course, she was raised in Chicago in the 20s; not what you would call a shrinking violet, much less a soccer mom. I have an old photo of her walking down the street in the 1930s, and she was quite a looker in her day, too. America needs more of her kind!

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An aside to woodman: another old song had a
refrain " You can't talk to a man with a
shotgun in his hand " which is wrong- you
can talk to him alright, but you may find
it difficult to intimidate him.
crankshaft
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by foxfire:
Miss D,

"...grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference..."

Good luck...

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Hey! I thought that was 'and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people who pissed me off!'

TR

Smile. It's the 2nd best thing you can do with your lips.
 
Other people have said basically the same thing, but this is probably the simplest, concisest way to put it that I've ever seen:

"A gun is a tool, Marion, no better or no worse than any other tool, an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."
-- Shane, from the movie "Shane" (1953)


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"There's not much comfort in the fact that crime is down 6 percent. So instead of 100 criminals targeting you, now there are only 94. Whoop-dee-doo." -- Paxton Quigley
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pack_rat:
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Hold your fire-
Keep it burning bright
Hold the flame
'til the dream ignites-
a spirit with a vision
Is a dream with a mission
-Music by Lee and Lifeson/Lyrics by Peart[/B][/quote]

Pack_rat
I'm a huge Rush fan, but I don't know how you always find the appropriate lyrics so well!!
I'm jealous, I guess I'll have to listen to the live album a few hundred more times :D

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Rob
From the Committee to Use Proffesional Politicians as Lab Animals
 
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