Mob Attack at Memphis Kroger

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I don't care if an object is classifies as a "deadly weapon" clearly they had a right to fear for life or severe injury
 
100 person mob, I'm leaving the area, and protecting me and mine. You facing 100 people will turn bad real quick. Just because you carry doesn't mean you need to intervene in every situation. I am not robo cop or the riot squad.
 
What used to be shocking so many years ago, is now more than not, an everyday occurrence.

Was I shocked at what happened? No, Was I a bit surprised? Yes.
 
There is a law I'm aware of in many states regarding a thing called "disparity". Being randomly attacked by a mob of people be it 3 or 100 can be a situation reasonable to shoot ones way out of, of course there will be a slew of issues to go with it and you'd better hit the guy swinging something at you and not the guy next to him but I believe it could be argued favorably.
 
I was well trained in what is called "unarmed self defense" in my younger days.
I'm talking police work, not trained as a 3rd degree black belt or anything like that.
I did 22.5 years in the mean streets before being permanently disabled with a broken back earned "subduing" a felon half my age and 100 pounds larger.
It was my 13th serious injury on the job.
I'm 68 now, no way able to hold my own in a physical match & now I suffer from serious spinal cord injury.
I only mention this so you will understand why this knock out game scares me silly. I had to take a medical retirement simply because one more back injury is likely to leave me in a wheel chair.
I DO carry concealed but in a situation where I became a victim to these punks targeting easy prey I'm not sure bringing out the gun is the smart thing to do. This knock out crap has happened a couple of times where I often shop.
I honestly don't know what I'd do were I the target of the knock out
foolishness.
I don't want to chance being more crippled than I am but I also don't want to be in a position to need to lawyer up, face criminal charges, or possible jail.
See my point? I suppose being older, injured, partially crippled, would go in my favor were something awful to happen and I had to produce a firearm and use it.
I've thought this through but really can't say what I would do.
I keep a low profile, tend to watch my surroundings, and am perhaps over cautious.
What do you think you might do if you were in my position and attacked by physical force?
 
I think I would pick up an equalizer and wade in, hopefully changing the outcome of the situation
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I would as well, as long as it was a high-capacity equalizer, such as my CZ 85 with SP-01 19 rounders.

Looks like a possible hate crime, too, by the way.
 
I don't see hate crime, in the legal sense, they attacked two black guys as well, but the white kid was the only one videotaped. I think we will be seeing surveillance footage soon I hope

at least someone can have an example to the Moms Demand Action crowd why we NEED a gun to grocery shop

I hope the victims are okay, that kid looked bad off
 
I think I would pick up an equalizer and wade in, hopefully changing the outcome of the situation

Agreed. Krogers has all kinds of makeshift "force multipliers".
I won't stand by and watch some poor kid get brutalized by cowards and thugs.

Into the breech - what happens, happens. Gun not required.
 
There is no way one person is going to control a mob. But everyone can do there small part in assisting where they can. Worse thing you can do is escalate the already chaotic condition.
 
Barnacle Brad said:
If my sense of right and a willingness to defend a body gets me hurt, kilt or whatever, my conscience is clean. Something no one else in this forum has to live with. Looks like it would have been better to just let you folks jump to a conclusion...
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Mate, that's what we call "painting with a broad brush." Everyone on this forum has a conscience, and every one of us knows we have to live with the decisions we make. How would your conscience feel if you decided to intervene with your hypothetical 2x4, one of the mob took it away from you, and the mob then stomped you into a vegetable ... leaving your wife to care for you and two or three young children?

This is not a black-and-white world. Actions have consequences. And perhaps you should read the entire thread again, because the opinions expressed were not as uniformly in favor of "run away" as you seem to imply.
 
Not sure what I would do also. I can't stand the thought of doing nothing though. Maybe try remember as many faces as one can,take the beating( hopefully not to bad) and then become a vigulanty? ( Charles Bronson comes to mind). I don't know. the more we tolerate this stuff the worse it will become. It only takes a few times of someone (The beaters) getting shot or getting hurt to most times stop this. It's just who wants to take the fall to do it. I am old also,so not sure I could defend myself either.
 
Maybe try remember as many faces as one can,take the beating( hopefully not to bad) and then become a vigulanty? ( Charles Bronson comes to mind).
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So, you would commit an illegal act to get retribution for this crime. Being a vigilante is just as illegal as what members of the mob are doing.
 
Everyone on this forum has a conscience, and every one of us knows we have to live with the decisions we make.
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Sorry I had my conscience surgically removed in law school, along with my heart. ;)


What do you think you might do if you were in my position and attacked by physical force?
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Empty a mag and not bat an eye. Thats a self ddefense situation and what a CHL is for.

As to the incident. Get in car, leave while calling 911. I am not the police and odds are my family is there.
 
We're so fixated on guns... what about driving a truck into the crowd? (and not at a crawl, either) I bet that would disperse them.

There are no innocents in a mob. I would not worry about hurting a bystander; just don't run over the victim.
 
You aren't really considering SHOOTING any of those innocent unarmed kids. They're just playing a silly game! THEY ARE UNARMED! Good kids. And you are a _______________ (fill in blank with something Al Sharpton might say) for shooting him/her!
 
Imagine if a CPL holder had been there and shot some the mob, we would have all heard about this atrocity because innocent kids were shot.
 
Aguilar Blanco said:
Everyone on this forum has a conscience, and every one of us knows we have to live with the decisions we make.
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Mate, wow! Again, misunderstanding. You don't have to live with my conscience is my point. I answered what I would do in this situation, if you disagree say so and move on. It's not your place to school me like a child, Sir. I have made decisions and taken action in situations that might make some of you uncomfortable. My choice, my free will. I am not asking your permission, or for your opinion on my behavior, so please keep that to yourself. Show me some respect and I will do the same. IMO some of you have got old and skeery, valueing your own hides more than doing what is right.

How would your conscience feel(?) if you decided to intervene…the mob then stomped you into a vegetable ... leaving your wife to care for you and two or three young children?
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That was answered in the quote you shared. As for my children they are grown up and capable of taking care of me and would stand by my decisions, thank you.

opinions expressed were not as uniformly in favor of "run away" as you seem to imply.
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What on earth are you talking about Sir? I have not expressed any opinions whatsoever on any comments in this thread and do not imply anything. If you are interpreting my words instead of taking them for face value, that is on you.

Now pardon me whilst I take my "hypothetical" twice by four, and go home...and please feel free to have the last word.
 
I think I would pick up an equalizer and wade in,
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that might work for you, I'm sure it would work in the movies, but it would be a rather poor idea for me.

Being somewhat old, somewhat frail, and having the recuperative powers of a granite boulder (meaning what gets damaged generally stays damaged), the only equalizer I would consider against a mob of 100 violent people would be belt fed and pintle mounted~! preferably on an armored vehicle, in motion.

seriously, all thoughts of facing down a mob should be regulated to TV and pipe dreams. Get away. Drive away, slowly, unless you are actively targeted.

Our tax dollars pay for professionals to deal with this kind of thing, have them handle it.

Of course, if you are trapped, then opions narrow, but I think first priority is to get you and loved ones away, and not try to stop a mob...

Also there is the fact that the angry mob you had to fire into to save your butt could turn into a group of over excited children organizing a "save thebaby heffalumps" rally by the time it gets into the news....

One thing about it, if you do survive the confrontation, you will have your day in court......
 
I never expected my comments to be quoted so much here. Whether made for tv or pipe dream, I can say for certain that the scenario presented is not one I will have to face, for I choose to live in a town where folks know what their kids are doing and where they are at all times (for the most part). You can bet your bottom dollar that if word got out that kids were rampaging downtown, it would not be long before the parents showed up to restore order, with appropriate discipline to follow.

We even have a 9:00 curfew and siren as a reminder... :)
 
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