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If the dead ever did rise up, would that change the anti's minds about guns, or would they blame guns for the zombie apocalypse?

Even my very anti gun younger sister said she would head straight to my place if the zombies were to rise up, and she is all for U.K. style strict gun laws. I think there was a mix up at the hospital.:D
 
It's great that we all have... and are entitled to our own thoughts and perceptions/opinions of things happening around us.

One thing to remember , if the dreaded day ever comes when we find ourselves in front of a jury, those jurors (who, are incidently going to determine our fate) may not see things like we do....

....too, I do most all my shooting here at the house. There are family and guests that come here. A few guests don't shoot and are 'sitting on the fence' so to speak on gun ownership. What perception do I give them if they come here and I've got nothing but human silhouette and zombie targets all over the place?
Think I have much of a chance of convincing them that shooting is about fun and not just about SD?

Also, every couple that comes here has kids. I've got grand kids.
Again, do I want to introduce these kids into shooting with the perception of shooting human formed targets or do I want to teach them the art of shooting as a fun sport with targets such as balloons, targets that make noise etc.

Perception's a funny thing.

Having rode motorcycles for the last 35yrs. Having a few tatts. Used to have longer hair(it's falling out now :o). I and the group of us that used to ride together have been politely asked to leave certain establishments cause the way we were dressed/looked. No trouble, no fuss...just peoples perception.
Funny thing was, a couple of the guys riding with us that looked the worse were undercover LEO's another was a CEO with GM. :D
Again, Perception.

Lastly, anyone who thinks perception hasn't/doesn't way heavily in a courtroom has never been around many courtrooms. Perception is the reason a good attorney takes his client that may be the worse, guilty piece of human flesh alive and on trial day, grooms them to look like they just stepped out of a monastery.

As gun owners, we need to think and be very careful what perception we emit.
 
As gun owners, we need to think and be very careful what perception we emit
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Given your history, people's perceptions don't seem to have bothered you nearly as much in the past as they do now. Maybe it's the grandkids. I'm afraid I'm going the other way - the older I get the less I give a darn.
 
A few guests don't shoot and are 'sitting on the fence' so to speak on gun ownership. What perception do I give them if they come here and I've got nothing but human silhouette and zombie targets all over the place?
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Hmm... Now the zombie targets could seem a bit much. However I've taught my sister and several female friends of mine to shoot. Most of them... No forget that. ALL of them got interested in shooting as a form of personal protection first. Finding out if was fun came later. Not one of them balked at the human silhouette's. One of them even ask why we were aiming for center mass and didn't "shoot em in the head". I think in such cases its more about the mindset of the person wanting to shoot.
And for the people on the fence. Well if you can speak intelligently then it shouldn't be much of a problem. A long time ago the mother of a girl I was dateing asked why I would need "that" gun. And I calmly expained to her that I belive in overwhelming force when faced with a life or death confrontation. I will take any advantage I could get and use it to its full potential. Maybe I was less of a idiot that day because my awnser seemed to satisfy her.

I and the group of us that used to ride together have been politely asked to leave certain establishments cause the way we were dressed/looked. No trouble, no fuss...just peoples perception
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Maybe they just had a dress code? I've been asked to leave to but I soon realised it wasn't the kind of restraunt you wear blue jeans to. (I had never been there before)
 
Given your history, people's perceptions don't seem to have bothered you nearly as much in the past as they do now. Maybe it's the grandkids. I'm afraid I'm going the other way - the older I get the less I give a darn.
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Yes, you're probably right about caring of the perception I put off nowadays versus my younger years. I feel the older I get the better example I should set for things I care about. Too, the older I get the more I appreciate/enjoy my rights and freedoms I have to bear arms, hunt etc. and am more aware of the various groups out there that are gaining strength trying to take my rights away from me.

Just don't want to be creative for them(the anti's) and give them any undo ammo to do that with. They will create enough of that on their own.

Father Time ,

I appreciate your comments about teaching people the art of shooting for SD but there sure is a lot more to shooting then SD. In my situation, while SD is a by-product of shooting, I'd rather introduce someone to the sport of shooting as a fun thing rather then put the emphasis on SD. Especially when dealing with kids.
 
While I have never bought any "Zombie Ammo" or participated in any "Zombie Shoots" which we have had at one of our ranges, I am not against them. I feel the ammo is overpriced and the shoots although probably fun not realistic and not taking seriously something very serious. However maybe I need to lighten up a bit and the guys who seem to enjoy them if they handle firearms safely and responsibly I am all for it.

As far as the "Anti Guns Folks" having a problem with it, I would hope they could separate having fun and fantasy from reality but maybe not.

Silhouette targets are a different story, while I enjoy shooting bullseye and shooting small groups, I also enjoy and think necessary combat shooting dead center mass as quickly as possible and for this I think a silhouette is more realistic as we do not walk around with bullseyes on us. It is funny how the "Anti Gun People" do not mind others doing their killing for them, the military and police, yet want to keep the public disarmed except for criminals.
Perhaps if the concealed carry public had more stringent requirements on gun safety, responsibility and marksmanship that was standardized that might mitigate some of the "Antis" fears.

I think everyone who conceals and carries a firearm should have to shoot the hostage silhouette target. I always advise that I would never ever make that shot unless I knew for sure the bad guy was going to kill the hostage. When I put all my rounds in the bad guys head on the hostage silhouette target and the shooters I am with ask why I would not make that shot, I reply I am under no stress and the target is not moving.

When the shooters with me take their turns shooting at the hostage silhouette target and put most or some of their rounds in the hostage they know exactly what I mean.
 
I think it has a lot to do with the genrational thinking. I am of the 35 YO age group so I am in the middle in a sort of way. I grew up watching movies. Some of those were zombie movies. Also with the video games like Resident Evil shoot 'em up zombie games became quite popular. They still sell well also.

For some it is a means to get their flabby buttocks off of the sofa, and to the range. For some it is just pure for spits and giggles. Though there are always those who go way too far overboard.

I have shot my share of zombie targets that were provided for free from the range. Though I am cheap so I realy like to take advantage of freebies.
 
psychobilly

Missed the Boat...
I guess I must confess my confusion, or at least being out of the picture But,
after reading yet another straight faced ad re Zombie killers in all calibers, gauges,wts et forms, what are these people talking about? Please enlighten moi. Or least let me know what catagory I can find such arcane info...
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I think a good analogy to understand how 'some' people literally fall for the zombie-craze would be Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" about an alien invasion by Martians which caused a genuine public panic in the U.S. among a great deal of people--this happened in the late 30's when the "Alien-UFO" craze was at its height for the time. I remember my grandparent's telling me about this and Spielberg made a film about it a few years back. People will be people I guess :rolleyes:.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio_drama)
 
I wouldn't let a box of Zombie ammo in the house. The loose cartridges I might. :D

Bad idea, bad image. Kid stuff that encourages magical thinking. To blur the lines between fantasy and reality is a mistake that could promote irresponsible use of the product to soft headed individuals.
 
Everyone knows Zombiemax is the only effective ammo against a real zombie.

But in all seriousness I wouldn't buy that crap at a discount. It's just manufactured to appeal to the young morons (which I admit I could almost fit into that category) that just want to look cool with a gun.
 
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Mythbusters should debunk that. I think a heavy hardcast would be fine against zombies, and werewolves. we don't need any stinking silver boolits. :D
 
I think the OP was asking where this zombie stuff came from. I used to wonder the same since my hair is turning grey and thinning some.

I believe that this zombie craze came about from a few zombie b-movies as well as many popular shoot-em-up video games that had zombies as the bad guys. This generation then got old enough to buy guns and go shoot them for real and since they grew up shooting zombies on their video games, the transition was natural for some marketing companies to cash in on it. If you don't like this zombie stuff you can blame video games. Me? I don't buy any zombie ammo because it just costs more. Why waste the money?
 
I hate zombie movies. But if Jaime Lee Curtis is in them then and only then will I watch it. I can even turn down the sound and it's even better.
 
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I hate zombie movies. But if Jaime Lee Curtis is in them then and only then will I watch it. I can even turn down the sound and it's even better...
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I'm not a big movie-buff but I do like the "seasonal Halloween" horror flicks. That said, I did not know JLC made zombie flicks (I know she did the classic Carpenter Halloween films)? I gotta tell ya though, that JLC scene in True Lies certainly requires "no sound" ;).
 
I don't really care for the zombie crap myself. I see it as childish and silly, like the video war games that are intended for "mature" players. But it is a free country and if others enjoy the stuff and use it responsibly I see no real harm.
 
Zombie ammo? Just the same as any other catchy names like Black Talons. Black Talons are nothing more than the Ranger SXT with Winchester's proprietary Lubalox oxide coating, but presently sell for $90 to $100 on the gun auction sites. And let's not forget they got the name "Cop Killers" by the anti gunners. IMO it is just another way to get your $$$$$$$$$$'s.
 
My take: "Zombies" is a codeword for dangerous groups of individuals with questionable thinking ability (and murderous intent) who it is politically incorrect to name.
 
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Serendipity... I happened to send a note to Nosler today, critical of their Varmaggedon marketing campaign (look at their website front-page per Varmageddon) -- as a highly respectable company with high-quality products I suggested it to be a misdirected unethical portrayal of Varmint/Predator hunting at best, or suggestion of desire for species eradication at worst. Not only were my hunting ethics challenged, but I think it gives undesirable ammunition (unintended pun) to the gun/hunting Anti's.

As with Nosler, I think Hornady's Zombie-max ammunition can too easily be cited by the Antis (especially given the apparent sales volumes) to suggest that many gun owners are not conscientious shooting sports enthusiasts or responsible gun-owner truly concerned with self-defense.

Maybe I think too much about these things lately because I have two young boys I'm trying to teach the ethics and responsibilities of hunting and shooting, however, I'm glad to read that many of you share my concerns.
 
I did not know JLC made zombie flicks
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You're right, I stand corrected! I think I just sub-consciously threw Zombie flicks in with Horror movies in my mind because I don't like Horror movies either and see them all the same, it's JLC that stands out :D
 
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