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I just hope that it runs its course soon. It's embarrassing to me as a firearms enthusiast, and I'm embarrassed for the companies promoting zombie products. I'm even more embarrassed for the firearms magazine writers endorsing this stuff. I've lost respect for some of them. JMO
 
been thinking about Zombie bullets in 17 caliber ( bullets, not loaded ammo ) they've been on sale for a while now, for much less than the red tipped varriety... I doubt the varmints would know the difference between the red & green tips
 
"I don't really see the zombie stuff promoting a negative image of gun owners any more than the tactical/ninja/operator stuff."

I've got serious issues with that crap, as well.

Nothing says "responsible gun owner" to me like the 600 pound guy decked out in all camouflage (sp?) wearing a low-ride holster (it's low ride because it's slipping off his gut) who proceeds to shoot up the range because he doesn't know the first thing about how to shoot a gun.

But man does he look GREAT in his camo and low ride...

And let's not forget his ninja boots... :rolleyes:
 
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Silly/harmful or not, some pretty reputable outfits carry it, undoubtedly because it sells -

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=zombie+ammo

http://www.natchezss.com/index.cfm#q=zombie

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/search/eSearch.aspx?SearchTerms=zombie&eMode=

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/sear...mbie&x=0&y=0&WTz_l=Header;Search-All+Products

http://www.luckygunner.com/catalogsearch/result?q=zombie

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/adv...iption=0&inc_subcat=1&categories_id=&x=13&y=7


The comments in the article by Marty Hayes are a bit far reaching to say the least. What difference does it make what kind of targets or ammo you shoot? If I practice shooting into ballistic gelatin with the latest and greatest hollowpoints (and post a video of it) does it prove that I am planning to go after human targets? What about if I shoot at human form outline targets at the range and save my best targets showing nice groups of headshots? If these actions will be used to show a jury that I have homicidal tendencies, then I suggest we all arm ourselves with ball ammo and weapons in existence at the time of and in conformance with the Hague Peace Conferences of 1899 and 1907, or better yet just disarm completely. Then we have nothing to worry about, right?

I can see and argue both sides of this argument, but just playing devil's advocate here, I think Marty needs to realize that shooting can be about fun as well as about defensible self defense. If shooting a few zombie targets with zombie ammo is a way to get the kids hooked on shooting, then why not?
 
"What difference does it make what kind of targets or ammo you shoot?"

You're joking, right?

It can make a HUGE difference because perception is all to often more impactful than things like the truth.

More and more ranges are no longer allowing "human" shaped targets.

We've all seen the Osama Bin Laden targets. Most people chuckle about that.

But how much good would it do if a group like Stormfront came out with their own line of targets showing prominent African Americans?

Think it would matter then?

Think people who aren't gun people would stop long enough to make a distinction between "racist *******s" and "general gunowners," or would they simply rush to judge?

In many communities, no they wouldn't make that distinction.

While zombie targets and ammunition may not really detract from the general perception of gunowners, they certainly don't build on it, either.
 
Personally I'm waiting for the wooden "Vampire Killing" bullets to come out! Be great to shoot with Kate Beckinsale and Milla Jovovich at the range!
 
Mike, I do think there are lines we shouldn't cross (not that I am prepared to state exactly what those are), but I'm not ready either to yield everything to the winds of political correctness, as has been demonstrated to fail in the UK, where if anywhere the need to keep and know how to use a firearm should be very prominent in the minds of its citizens given the events of only 70 years ago.

The aversion to human form targets at certain ranges is a bad/sad trend on many dimensions, not the least of which is the opportunity to shoot something the same size/shape as a potential attacker. Personally, I find the graphic targets of a murderous knife-wielding attacker with his arm around the throat of a scantily clad woman to be repulsive, and would never use one, but I do enjoy shooting my own human outline targets. Fortunately my range not only permits these kinds of targets but makes a lot of money selling the plastic versions to customers.
 
The new z max isnt that effective for "zombie killing anyways" if it did indeed happen i would choose a fmj or a efmj. penetration is key and is somethins dead i dont believe it will matter if it expands or not.
 
This isn't political correctness.

Make no mistake about that.

This is taking a simple look at the situation and saying "why in the name of all that is holy are we shooting ourselves in the foot yet AGAIN?"

It's painfully evident to me that gunowners are, collectively the worst enemy we could ever hope to have, and this is just another, albeit somewhat less obtrusive, example of it.
 
MIKE... are picking on me ??? ( note fat guy & low ride holster ) :mad:

I'm kidding :D I might resemble the figure more than I like, but since I'm a single action revolver guy ( almost as crazy as "that" other crazy single action revolver guy :eek: ) I don't fit the mall ninja image...

BTW... I don't shoot people shaped targets, or even Zombie targets... I'm a cheap sob... I shoot circles on regular old note paper most of the time ( I can imagine the human shape if I feel the need )

fact is I do worry about public perception, & while I have had my share of the semi auto stuff, & used to be into the "black rifles" I now more resemble the "mall cowboy" than the "mall ninja"

... I'm hoping I'm percieved as less of a threat than the mall ninja looking dude... if that's the case, I'm getting across the image I'm after...

... as a huge reloader, I don't have a problem buying the green tipped bullets ( if they are cheaper ) I just put them in the same plastic ammo boxes I'd put the red tipped ammo...

... on a more serious note... I don't play paint ball, or air soft... & I don't like young people playing video games that could condition them to shooting humans, & then transition them to shooting people with ( ever more realistic looking ) air soft, & paint balls... IMO, we are only developing a generation prone to do Colorado Theater "type" incidents... I'd have no trouble ( as it is ) transitioning from my circles on paper to bad guys in a real life situation if needed... I don't like that a whole generation of young people ( both emotional stable, & total wackos ) are being conditioned to shoot people on their next "bad day"
 
This isn't political correctness
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Whatever you want to call it, it's advancing the secular theory that we are condition-able animals (and not thinking human beings with a soul) who cannot distinguish between a paper target and a real life situation. I prefer to believe that my Creator has given me the ability to know the difference between a video game, target shooting and the possibility of taking a life. Going along with artificial restrictions on what or how you shoot contrived in the mind of some genius playing to the misplaced emotions of the antis doesn't help our cause, either.
 
Thanks in part to Mike, this forum has been fairly free from some of the worst.

It is obvious that people have adopted "zombie" as a euphemism for bad person because we don't promote the idea of killing people, even though we need to recognize that defense of ourselves against the actions of another may force us to that.

But we don't need to emphasize it. One small thing we can do is to stop calling all firearms "weapons". I realize this is due to some folks wanting to play soldier (some of whom could not get through the first day of basic training), but most of our firearms are not "weapons." Even if a firearm carried for self defense might be a "weapon", most sporting arms are neither intended nor used for that purpose. An antique, like a Civil War rifle-musket, may have once been a "weapon", but that term is hardly suitable today.

JIm
 
I am a younger guy so let me interject a bit here.

My friends and I from time to time have joked about "getting ready for the zombie apocalypse". Do we really think that the dead will rise and only a bullet to the head will stop them? No; the ZA is just my generations WWIII as I view it as silly as I know that sounds.

Joking about "ZA" day, talking about what we would do, where we would go etc is just a way to lightheartedly talk about the very real; very scary to some topic of being ready should SHTF.
In general amongst younger people it is a much more socially acceptable topic to talk about things in generic "ZA Day" terms. I mean seriously...I could carry on a conversation with any college friend, pro or anti gun about what they would do if a mob of zombies was tearing through their neighborhood, how you would get food etc.
The much more realistic topic of what you would do if the economy collapsed and suddenly you had a mob of 20+ people breaking into every home on your block, looting the homes then killing the occupants. In general the conversation would stop right there even though that is the far more likly of the two situations because too few younger people are mentally equiped to wrestle with such difficult subjects.


While I agree all it would take is some off his meds nutjob; equipped with a "zombie killer" 1911 and a "zombie killer" AR-15 shooting "Zombie killing" ammo going out and shooting up a bunch of "zombies" to screw us over big-time I think some of you are missing the point.

Any "evil deed" done with a gun will be blamed on the entire community of firearms owners regardless of the gun, type of ammo and suspect. It wouldn't matter if Al Capone himself was resurrected through modern science and illegally purchased a gun to re-commit the St. Valentines day massacre; the story would be about "easy access" to weapons, "gun" crime and how "common sense gun control' could have stopped it.
We are and forever will be until we somehow get more allies in the media guilty until proven innocent; in this case the "good guys wear black"


I do not see the need to pay double or triple the cost for a zombie target but I do enjoy shooting at human shaped targets; my first ever target was a "gang banger" drawn on a piece of 3/16 plywood by my dad.

I also do not see the need to buy zombie themed guns but some people like Neon Green and I won't hold it against them.
 
We've all seen the Osama Bin Laden targets. Most people chuckle about that.
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Trust me, I've seen worse. I've had people complain that I'm abrogating their 1st Amendment rights because I won't let them shoot pictures of current political figures. It doesn't matter if they're portrayed as zombies, clowns, or monkeys: it's in poor taste, and it gives us all a bad image.

The "zombie" euphenism does seem to be code-speak among some quarters, much as the term "goblin" was used a decade or so ago. Code-speak for whom? Take a guess.
 
Trust me, I've seen worse. I've had people complain that I'm abrogating their 1st Amendment rights because I won't let them shoot pictures of current political figures. It doesn't matter if they're portrayed as zombies, clowns, or monkeys: it's in poor taste, and it gives us all a bad image.

The "zombie" euphenism does seem to be code-speak among some quarters, much as the term "goblin" was used a decade or so ago. Code-speak for whom? Take a guess.
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I STILL hear talk of what would hapen if the "Goblins" or "Trolls" from Chicago or Milwaukee got out of hand at gun ranges and gun shows all the time. Though I have been slowing hearing the term "Zombie" slipped into conversation where you would not expect it.
 
First of all I will say I love movies... All kinds action, horror, mystery, sci fi,
So I have watched and enjoyed several zombie movies. I understand the marketing and such. Is it in poor taste? Yeah, kinda.

But none of this is anywhere near as bad as the "Sons of Guns" and "American Guns". These morons do 10x the damage to responsable gun ownership than all the zombie crap in the world. The only people that have even heard of Zombie ammo are gun owners. Yet anyone with basic cable tv thinks gun owers are all backwoods hicks or worse (looking at you "Doomsday Preppers")
This kind of portrayal of gun ownership sickens me. I'm a pretty calm person normaly but that Kris guy from "sons of guns" raises my blood pressure. I would give a $1000 to kick him in the teeth.
 
Nothing says "responsible gun owner" to me like the 600 pound guy decked out in all camouflage (sp?) wearing a low-ride holster (it's low ride because it's slipping off his gut) who proceeds to shoot up the range because he doesn't know the first thing about how to shoot a gun.

But man does he look GREAT in his camo and low ride...

And let's not forget his ninja boots...
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I've seen something like that, this guy was shooting a High Point looking like a "fat" SWAT officer want to be.:eek::confused: He actually had a friend with him, or it was his stupid younger brother.:D
 
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