Minnesota: Man Charged in Deaths of Intruders
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zincwarrior
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Not seeing any legal self defense about it. Its not a difficult argument to make that both were premeditated murder.
*shooting persons who did not pose a threat after the initial shoot each time.
*where'd that handy tarp come from?
*removing the bodies.
*murdering a potential witness.
*going to dinner before calling police.
*not calling 911 at any time.
*no affirming via 911 that you are in danger, or making similar warnings to others.
Yea this has serial killer/really dumb mob guy wannabe all over it.
*shooting persons who did not pose a threat after the initial shoot each time.
*where'd that handy tarp come from?
*removing the bodies.
*murdering a potential witness.
*going to dinner before calling police.
*not calling 911 at any time.
*no affirming via 911 that you are in danger, or making similar warnings to others.
Yea this has serial killer/really dumb mob guy wannabe all over it.
I am surprised some are trying to defend him. If he put a gun to her head and shot her when she was no longer a threat then that's murder. And he deserves to go to jail.
No need to hide your guns just doint execute someone when they are no longer a threat. Do you not see the difference in self defence and murder.
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If the man had just gutshot them both and held them at gunpoint where they fell at the bottom of the stairs while he called the police, he'd have nothing to fear from facing his peers.
He'd likely be lauded as a hero, succesfully defending his home.
Instead, he crossed the line, executing the wounded.
I find it disturbing that someone could defend that behavior.
zincwarrior
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Agreed.
Spats McGee
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Seriously?!? Suspend his FID and make him take a gun safety course?!?green_MTman said:
No, it's not just "the victim's perception of whether the assailant is armed" that is relevant. The "victim's" perception must also be reasonable, as a general rule. He shot one intruder, dragged his body over to a "handy tarp" (premeditate much?), shot the second one and executed her.green_MTman said:
I'd say that a little more than FID suspension and mandatory gun safety training will be the likely result, and rightfully so.
Aguila Blanca
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I have also seen claims (by prosecutors) that premeditation can be formed in an instant. I didn't accept the notion then, and I don't accept the notion now. Words have meaning, and the prefix "pre" to me clearly means "Before, in advance of," not "during, in the heat of the moment."Glenn E. Meyer said:
That said, the more I read about this case the more I think it was a premeditated execution. An article I saw on-line today indicated that, in addition to sitting in ambush, the guy had a tape recorder running through the entire incident. I didn't get a sense that he volunteered this to the police; it appears that a detective happened to notice it on a shelf.
While I was initially on the fence, I am now leaning very heavily in the direction of believing that the guy laid a deliberate trap for the burglars, and that he had every intention of killing them if they returned. I don't think he was in the least bit in fear for his life.
Blindstitch
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Wow.
All I have to say is throw in a fear of vampires and it sounds justified for head shots.
All I have to say is throw in a fear of vampires and it sounds justified for head shots.
IMHO, setting up an ambush at a choke point (stairs) was a tactically sound thing to do- If someone broke into my house, I'd have done the same.
Recording the event would be a good idea, too, I think.
Where the guy erred was "shooting the wounded".
If he had shot them and held them at gunpoint while he called the police, and before the police (and EMS) got there, one or both of them bled out and died ..... I could not condemn him for that either- it would not be safe for him to approach an assailant that might not be hurt as bad as he looked- but shooting them when they posed no threat is, for me, beyond the pale. I think a jury will find him guilty of murder.... and rightly so.
These two were certainly not very bright and in the end it cost them there lives. The homeowner because of his actions looks like some kind of a nut for finishing this pair off, both showed poor judgment but had they not broke into his home in the first place perhaps they would still be alive.
Mike Irwin
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Can't kill a vampire with a headshot.
Only a zombie.
Reading some of these comments really makes me wonder at times if we truly are not in the end times of the Republic.
Obviously our educational system has completely failed...
Only a zombie.
Reading some of these comments really makes me wonder at times if we truly are not in the end times of the Republic.
Obviously our educational system has completely failed...
Smith doesn't appear to meet the MO for a serial killer. Let's not go there.
Let's also drop the zombie/vampire silliness. This is a grave situation. Let's also remember that people who would use this against us read this forum as well. Snide comments about Smith's actions could be construed as support.
Wow, what a screwy situation and it leaves itself to a lot of speculations. Who knows what really happened?
Sure he says what went down but had they put him on a lie detector?
I can't blame the guy because of the past burglaries but why the hell don't he put up a security surveillance system? Or get a dog?
I think he went too far but I think he snapped as well when he finally came face to face with the burglars. Did he think it's the same burglars that hit him before? And they have his guns?
The girl laughed when she got gut shot? And she came down after all that ruckus? C'mon, give me a break, there's more to this. For all we know, he told her to come down or he'll finish off this guy.
That old man's missing his straw to his chocolate shake.
Sure he says what went down but had they put him on a lie detector?
I can't blame the guy because of the past burglaries but why the hell don't he put up a security surveillance system? Or get a dog?
I think he went too far but I think he snapped as well when he finally came face to face with the burglars. Did he think it's the same burglars that hit him before? And they have his guns?
The girl laughed when she got gut shot? And she came down after all that ruckus? C'mon, give me a break, there's more to this. For all we know, he told her to come down or he'll finish off this guy.
That old man's missing his straw to his chocolate shake.
Mike Irwin
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"Who knows what really happened?"
Smith does.
And he gave a pretty vivid account of what he did, an account that is supported by forensics, and which paints a very damning picture of him and his actions.
And, given just how damning an account it is, one really can only take it at face value.
Oh...
VAMPIRES!
Smith does.
And he gave a pretty vivid account of what he did, an account that is supported by forensics, and which paints a very damning picture of him and his actions.
And, given just how damning an account it is, one really can only take it at face value.
Oh...
VAMPIRES!
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