Military Shotguns

Both weapons in one
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That's a cool gun & the ultimate in Home Defense. I've wondered if any manufacturer made something similar for the civilian market

I assume the shotgun barrel would be to short.
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Yeah, and the one in the pic has the XM26LSS, which AFIK is still considered experimental or might have even been scrapped by now, I don't know.

There is one that has an M4 with a Remington 870 (IIRC) mounted in the same configuration, called the "Masterkey". Made by KAC I believe, but I might be wrong. I'm not sure what's legally involved in owning a shortened barrel, but an 870/AR-15 combo could be feasible, albeit heavy and cumbersome, I guess.

Jason
 
IMHO anything more than a single shot 12 or 20ga attached is too much/unwieldy. The good news is that simplifies things.
 
I understand in Iraq the Arab terrorist are plum scared of the 12 guage.
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For good reason. 00Buck is devastating at close ranges, and in my opinion makes a better weapon for close quarter combat than a short rifle caliber carbine or a handgun.
 
In the 1990s we had 870s on my base. Some of them were getting pretty ragged so in about 1998 I ordered 4 replacement shotguns from the USAF. I received 4 Winchester Model 12 that looked like new. But within a week the SkyCops had them dinged up already.
 
For Saigon and suburbs in '69-'70, I generally carried a Win. '97, an M-16, and a Colt Detective Special .38 in the Jeep. Having grown up with '97s in the family, it was comfortable. Today it is a safe full of 870s and grandpa's '97. Very persuasive firearms between handgun and rifle ranges.
 
Speaking on topic to anyone with knowledge/experience, were flechette rounds used heavily with combat issued SGs?
 
Speaking on topic to anyone with knowledge/experience, were flechette rounds used heavily with combat issued SGs?
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I've been on 5 depoyments with the 82nd over the past 12 years and all we used in our shotguns was 00 buck.
 
2 3/4" 00 Buck is the primary SG round in the AF as well. But when we have to do detainee ops we use several different types of less than lethal rounds. I fired the M870 for the first time on 1 April after 10 1/2 years of service. The only reason is I'm part of the team that responds to air craft crashes adn there are alot of bear up here in AK.
 
flechette in combat

I'm not sure about heavy use, But in the late 60s Some of the Brown Water Navy units used them in their m-37 scatterguns, I found a m-12 with a MMC deverter and stuck with #4 buck.

The flechettes sure seemed to extend the range of the guns, they also seemed to penetrate the wood hulls of sampans and junks well.

Good Luck, Be Safe
 
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I thought I had read that some of the door breaching rounds were something other than simple 00 buck. Can't remember exactly what they were supposed to be though. Fléchettes maybe?
 
flechettes are like finish nails with fins

go Colt,

door breaching is done with compressed powder projectiles that disengrate upon impact, usually in slug form. The idea is that it will destroy the door hardware and nothing else, IT does not always work that way and door breaches are considered lethal rounds.

Flechettes might breach a door? but I don't thing so, however being mild or hardened steel they would also rebound or reflect into other targets, not really a good idea.

Flechette are basically force projection for scatterguns.

Good Luck, Be Safe
 
goColt

We used regular old Winchester OO Buck 9 pellet to breach doors. We breached hundreds of doors Exterior and interior with that load. We never had a problem and it worked double duty if it had to be applied as an offensive weapon once in.....
 
Good Luck with that

Boris,

OK, good luck with that, that 00 hurts bad when it flattens and bounces back off a hardened strike plate. My state was not OK with 00 used in this maner.

Good Luck, Be safe
 
Scattergun Bob


I was shocked when I found out we used good ole OO buck also. I have seen so many doors breached with it that I now believe that it would be an oddity if such a wound would happen. My battalion had not even a scratch as a result of the use of OO buck.

With everything else going on around me I learned to not worry about it. The extreme remote chance I could be injured in that manner was far less likely than what the people inside could have done to me..........
 
Good Luck to you sir

Thanks for the update, as you travel in harms way please remember there are those of us whom wish you well. I spent time neare the bridges at Basara many many years ago, Sand truly sucks.

Good Luck, Be Safe as you can, Bob
 
Scattergun Bob

I just noticed you are in WA! I just happen to be in WA also, you could probably guess where I am ;)

Maybe a get together someday.............
 
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