May have bought an H&K lemon?

sigarms228: said:
WWB used to be my go to ammo 6 or more years ago but IMO something has changed it is not near as good as it used to be and I won't buy it anymore and seems to have problems with consistency of manufacture. In particular many problems with extraction reported due to out of spec brass being used and not very consistent velocity from round to round.

Bruce Gray of Grayguns has stated that he will not warranty use of WWB in pistols he has done gun smithing on.

I still have pre 2009 old stock WWB that works fine for me and is among the most accurate brass cased range ammo.
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Perhaps something has changed with WWB 9mm factory, although I've sure used enough of it over the years, and I sure have enough of it squirreled away that I intend to use up eventually. And I would never use the 165gr. WWB in .40S&W, but I don't shoot a lot of forty anymore and I'm down to one gun in the caliber, a P226 that shoots everything you load into it fine including WWB. But the OP is talking about .45ACP WWB and I honestly can't recall a problem with WWB in that caliber. I would say there are better choices out there if you need ammo, but I have plenty of WWB in 9mm and .45ACP already sitting in my ammo boxes that I will definitely use eventually:)
 
Hello Lonewolf1981,
I am not getting on you or anyone but you always need to strip down a new gun & clean & lube it first before you go to the range. The oil that is on it is just shipping oil and not gun oil/ lube. Just because you got away with it with some guns before well you got lucky I guess? I am willing to bet there is nothing wrong with that gun at all. And clean it after shooting it every time. That is the way you take care of your gun. You do that with some good "gun oil/lube" & I am sure that H&K will be 100%.
 
jaytothekizzay said:
It is absolutely absurd to call a gun a lemon, that has NEVER been cleaned...
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If a gun is new why the hell should it have to be cleaned. :confused: Other than running a couple patches down the barrel I've never in my life cleaned a new pistol before shooting it. How on earth would it get dirty if it's only been shot 5 times. Maybe some of you should buy a little better quality pistol if you think they all need to be detail stripped down to the frame before shooting. That is just goofy in my opinion.
 
Maybe some of you should buy a little better quality pistol if you think they all need to be detail stripped down to the frame before shooting.
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Maybe it's just me, but cleaning a gun is not the same as a detail strip down to the frame. I think there's some hyperbole going on here on both sides.

HKs do often come with preservative grease inside the slide. On a stiff gun with weaker ammo it might be problematic.
 
Maybe it's just me, but cleaning a gun is not the same as a detail strip down to the frame. I think there's some hyperbole going on here on both sides.

HKs do often come with preservative grease inside the slide. On a stiff gun with weaker ammo it might be problematic.
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Again, why do you think a new pistol should have to be cleaned. How is it going to get dirty if it's only been shot five times. Grease is grease, what the hell is "preservative grease" that term seriously makes no sense at all to me other than it's just grease. If it's 10 degrees out certainly a little extra grease might be problem but it's not 10 degrees out.
 
I was pretty clear in my post. You're welcome to reread it. Think the consistency of cosmoline in terms of what I'm talking about. Also notice I used the word "might". For that matter, calm down a bit. You seem worked up for no real reason.


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I have gotten SIG pistols and rifles NIB so caked in heavy grease/preservative that there is no way they would have run reliably out of the box.

My Walther PPS was caked in a heavy grease or preservative that would have easily caused issues with cycling especially in a small gun.

All of my HKs had a layer of packing grease out of the box and were heavily sprung, a recipe for failure with powder puff ammo.

Glocks mostly seem good out of the box and they want you to shoot them with their anti seize in place.

Beretta, I don't remember a bunch of preservative.

Rugers were bone dry.

Point is they are all different and what they pack them in can cause issues.

I will say my older SIGs did have a preservative that vaguely reminded me of coppertone suntan lotion. So that was nice. :)
 
If a gun is new why the hell should it have to be cleaned.
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Many of us feel that it should be cleaned because it was fired at the factory and then, most likely, a sticky preservative was applied to the gun. This preservative may also be found on the slide rails and would not enhance functionality. Simple-as-that. :)

So, as a matter of course, many of us who have purchased many new guns over time have learned that it can be a very good idea to break down a new gun, clean it well, remove whatever corrosion inhibitor may have been applied, look over the parts, get to know the gun a little, and give it a good lube prior to shooting it. This simple process is easy, you may learn something about the gun by doing so, and helps ensure that the first outing at the range is trouble-free.

Of course, you don't HAVE to do this if you don't wish to. But many of us have found that it has been a recipe for success and we do it as a matter of course, even if it may not be needed with every firearm you acquire.

Do as you see fit.
 
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I was pretty clear in my post. You're welcome to reread it. Think the consistency of cosmoline in terms of what I'm talking about. Also notice I used the word "might". For that matter, calm down a bit. You seem worked up for no real reason.
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Actually, I will fully admit that I didn't notice your emphasis on the word "might" but on the other hand I have no idea what you are talking about when you mention cosmoline. I thought we were talking about HK pistols, not AK-47s made 30 years ago.

You are not the first one I have read that mentioned, even in this thread, some sort of magic grease or "shipping" grease manufacturers put on their pistols. I don't want to seem worked up but words have meanings and I certainly don't want newer shooters to think their really is some sort of "shipping" grease, that's all.
 
What we're talking about here is a preservative, an anti-corrosion "treatment" is probably a better term. This is commonly used on firearms as they may sit for months or years in distributor warehouses, humid environments, etc. The manufacturer has no idea where or for how long the gun may sit in storage before finally being sold to the end user, so various manufacturers have (for decades) taken steps to reduce the incidence of corrosion between the time of manufacture and the time of final sale to the customer. Decades ago, S&W used to wrap their pistols in a brown paper which was coated with an corrosion inhibiting substance of some sort.

So.. we're not talking about a lubricant "grease". We're talking about a corrosion-inhibiting substance which is more "sticky" than it is "slick". This treatment will often do more to reduce reliable functioning than it will aid it. But it will help keep the gun from corroding in unfavorable environmental conditions.

I do hope that is as clear as it can be.

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DHart said:
I don't know where or how the terms "magic grease" or "shipping grease" may have come about. Crazy.
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Maybe your reading comprehension are a little slow, I don't know, but the concept of a "shipping" grease has been mentioned a couple times in this thread.

I've always respected your opinion, for a bunch of years, so why the hell are you busting my balls is rather baffling to say the least. :rolleyes:
 
Rinspeed.... yes. You're right. And I apologize. I know that my reading has not been as thorough as it should be and I've jumped in and out of this thread a few times over a couple of days. I'm sure if I took the time to go back and review, I'd get myself straightened out, but too late now. I'm sorry for that. And sorry too if I'm coming off a bit cranky tonight... not feeling great today for some reason. :o. Better next time, I hope.
 
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I thought we were talking about HK pistols, not AK-47s made 30 years ago.
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Yes, notice I said the consistency of cosmoline, not cosmoline itself. For someone that's bringing up reading comprehension, you might want to practice what you preach.

I don't want to seem worked up but words have meanings and I certainly don't want newer shooters to think their really is some sort of "shipping" grease, that's all.
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Not all greases are the same. That's a reality. DHart does a pretty good job at describing it, or so I believe.
 
I have owned tons of Berettas - unles sthe gun store wipes it down, they usually are super covered in oil. But, it is NOT lubricating oil meant for shooting. It is a preservative that prevents rust. You are supposed to clean the gun and then reoil it.

Seen tons of posts over the years at the Beretta Forum about people who have Berettas that don't work 1st time out - BECAUSE they didn't do this. They follow the advice, and then clean the gun and go try again. Nary a problem.

As stated above, HKs tend to have packing grease on them - that you can actually see. Always clean an HK before your first range trip.

In fact, this should be done with all new guns for the same reasons
 
I wiped my HK down before its first use....hardly a cleaning. I wouldn't be quick to call it a lemon. I would however give it a cleaning as a step one to,figuring the problem. Try different ammo too. although I haven't found ammo my .45 dislikes.
If that don't work, call them.

My Glock came with some funky copper grease that I was told to leave on. Maybe the Hk has some type of grease for preserving the guts during storage?
 
The Glock grease is supposed to be left on, though. I have owned 9 HKs, and I have a new USP coming tomorrow. All have had that packing grease.
 
It's common knowledge in the firearms world that brand new guns should be cleaned before firing. They come with a rust preventative that can inhibit function. Every owners manual for every new gun I have bought has stated that the firearm be cleaned before first use.
 
TunnelRat said:
Yes, notice I said the consistency of cosmoline, not cosmoline itself. For someone that's bringing up reading comprehension, you might want to practice what you preach.
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You're right and I apologize.
 
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