Mandatory Training for CCW

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I have a HUGE issue with CC training.

For one, it's not homogeneous. Some oddball in a highrise apartment with CCTV cameras will do the 'training' in one class (no, that wasn't made up) while another will not require range time to demonstrate the ability to actually FIRE the gun (again, this is true). Frankly I think CC training is a joke in VA.

I'm for some sort of mandatory training, just like we have for hunting. It has to be the SAME in all CC states, the same curriculum and methods. It has to have range time of some sort, and if there's no range nearby maybe airsoft, I don't know. Don't laugh, they do it in Japan.

Local/state laws need to be covered extensively. Period. When I asked about this in my CC class, they told me to either 'get a book' or consult the sheriffs office. No kidding.

I like what the NRA range in Fairfax does. They bring in lawyers and LEO's for q/a time plus their range is really nice.

CC is a huge responsibility and I just don't feel current training methods are up to snuff. Oh and having your relatives/friends train you in firearms safety...come on. The way I see people waving their guns around at the range gives me chills.
 
"In order to promote safety and responsible firearms ownership, all persons who own firearms shall take a complete a training course, which course shall be either sponsored by or certified bu the NRA..."
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The Brady Bunch argument:

Well, when the legislators wrote this, what they really meant by "promoting safety and responsibility," was that firearm ownership should only be done by the State. When they say, "all persons," then, they really mean only those persons who are currently serving in the U.S. military (True, the U.S. military is a federally run institution. But nonetheless, who are we to question the intentions of the legislators???) And, clearly, when they say, "by the NRA," what they really mean is that the federal government should TELL the NRA what they can and cannot sponsor.

Logic? Please? Anywhere?
 
NO! If you carry you should make it a point to know your local laws and practice as much as you feel comfortable with. I do not think that we need to giving our oh-so-wonderful government any more power to control us. I understand the other side of the argument but as far as I'm concerned we need more common sense, NOT MORE LAWS, REGULATIONS AND THE LIKE!!!!!

jeo556
 
The big reason i dont seek training, is for 2 major reasons. First one is distance. All the highly reccommended schools for it are several states away from were i live. The one that is with in 8 hours drive is in ohio, and i dont know what laws i have to follow to get my gun into that state, secondly, the school, TDI is not highly reccommended on this forum. Second and this is the biggest issue for me and lot of other folks, is the cost. Schools like gunsite and what not charge over $1500 for some of there classes. That is just for the classes that dosent include ammo, food, and lodging. I just dont have that kind of cash to shell out for that.

Sure TDI is alot cheaper, but as everyone here is so fond of saying you get what you pay for. To make matters worse, there is no good place for training here in FT.Wayne, or northern IN. Sure there are a few NRA cert trainers here, but they all do this basic course, that involves more lecture time then range time, and the range time is all static crap i can do in my spare time.

Id love to go get professional training, but i just cant afford it.. I know alot of other people are put off by the cost as well. Every time i mention training at the range, they seem excited about it. But once i mention the cost of some of the schools, they loose all that excitement and say, something to the effect of i cant afford that.
 
It is hard to argue against folks that own guns knowing how to use them safely. Most states have some sort of training requirement for CCW, but not ownership. We can look all we want and won't find anyting in 2A about training. That doesn't mean I can't want all folks with guns to know what they are doing. Forget the criminals -- we can't fix that problem with any amount of laws and regulations.


It might goe against being pro-2A, but I have a hard time coming up with a lot of logical reasons why someone shouldn't be willing to show they can safely handle a gun. Especially if they live next door to me.

What I don't understand is why anyone would buy a gun without learning how to use it safely. That just doesn't make any sense.
 
I am in favor of training Mandatory to receive and possibly a continuing education program. There are few things more dangerous than untrained clowns running around packing loaded weapons with little or no training on how to strip, load, or maintain such weapon much less how to put rounds on target! I took the most expensive and extensive course available for my permit (when you left, you put a check and a stamp on the envelope and mailed it) and it covered much more than the states requirements! Did I need this? Well, I served 13 yrs with the Armed forces and 4 yrs as Civilian LEO and I certainly didn't need more weapons or marksmanship training but what I learned were the laws of my respective state, Reciprocity (or not) of surrounding states, where I could NOT carry legally, and even some of the Moral and Psychological issues of carrying and possibly using a gun in SD scnario. I left that class more informed and to be quite honest, More afraid of the fact that pending BCI approval, some of those disruptive, conspiracy theorist, mentally unstable Jacka$$es in the room with me might also be out there armed! I am Pro 2A rights but having worked around too many Psychos (for real) I believe there has to be some screening and in depth training required (and by screening I don't mean through the court system after one of these geniuses has had an altercation and whipped out an Unchambered/chambered gun and muzzled a crowd of people cuz they were coming to eat his brains). I have friends who lost their permits (and gun) after brandishing when they "got scared" and all I could do is shake my head. YOUR "right to carry" ENDS where anothers right not to have to worry about some crazy packing a gun BEGINS! That is not opinion BTW but Pure fact! (If you don't believe me, a Judge will one day set you straight)
Continuing education is a responsible thing to do. I am not saying make it mandatory but certainly offer it as an option upon renewal of permits and at least take that dusty revolver out of the purse or glovebox, Throw away the corroded Green ammo and drop it in a sonic cleaner for a few mins! I believe (this is an opinion) that concealed carry is a responsibility of Every Non-criminal citizen of this country Unless you are found mentally unstable!(how many stable people do you hear about shooting up a school or mall etc...). Felons, You gambled with your civil rights and LOST! Deal with it or risk going back to see that Ben Dover guy you met in prison.
Peace Out!

Good Topic Wild. Thanks
 
What I don't understand is why anyone would buy a gun without learning how to use it safely. That just doesn't make any sense.
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Sadly I think it's because many Hollywood brainwashed people are pretty sure it's a magic talisman that will "automagically' protect them once it's in the house (or else it's a bloodthirsty monster that will corrupt the house, eat the dog, and piss on the couch) :rolleyes:
 
I am fully in favor of mandatory training for CCW, provided that the training is the same for everyone. Familiarity with the laws is good, but more emphasis should be placed on a minimum proficiency. All we had to fire was 10 rounds/5 yards with a reload along the way. No score was kept; we just had to hit the target.
 
I've never seen the government get its hands into anything and make it better.

That said the only "mandatory" training I'd like to see would be some kind of firearms safety and familiarization training in K-12 (Eddie Eagle on steroids)

Unfortunately the average American is pretty much a booger eating moron and we are pretty much just stuck with that.:eek:
 
Gotta say that I think it's insane to not require a uniform minimum standard of firearms proficiency.

Hell, when I joined the University rifle club last year it takes 2 months of training before they'll even let you shoot solo. And this is a rifle club for pete's sake!

Handguns are very easily abused and you've got to remember that for every 99 good responsible owners, like those we generally find of TFL, there are 1 or 2 idiots or psychos. Gotta weed out those guys.

I understand the concerns some of the other posters have that it would simply be used as a means to make CCW more difficult to attain, but I think in the long run, better training is likely to lead to a better public image of CCW holders. Move us away from the image some have of gun owners being nutty weirdos about to commit the next school shooting and towards an image of responsible defenders of public order.
 
I'm not opposed to mandatory training for CCW on either moral or practical grounds. In SC, the training isn't done by the government but they have established the minimum criteria. Private (approved) instructors provide training which keeps the cost down due to competition. Heck, even the local technical college offers the course. My wife and I both went through it. It was 4 hours of legal, 4 hours of gun safety, handling, etc and then a range session on a different day. IIRC, they required 50 rnds to qualify including draw-and-fire and reloads. The ranges were from 3 yds out to 25 yds.

I do think there are extenuating circumstances where a judge should issue a temporary CCW along with an order of protection or TRO. A court appointed LEO could provide 15 min. worth of instruction on safety, load-n-unload, and shoot-don't shoot. In that situation, there isn't time for full-featured training and requiring it would be an "undue burden" on the applicant.
 
You have to take a driving test to get a driver's license. Yuu have to take exams to be a licensed nurse, lawyer or physician. You should have to take a test (class) to carry a pistol. There are too many unsafe, ignorant idiots out there wanting to carry for all the wrong reasons.

David
 
That is true, except the problem is, meanoldman, that too many people consider anyone who even wants to own a firearm as being the unsafe, ignorant idiots and would use that standard to exclude everyone.
 
I personally think that training and lots of regular practice are of great benefit. However, I don't think a lot of mandatory training should be a requirement for someone before they can exercise their right to stay safe and alive.

In NC, you are required to take a 1 day course to get your CCP. The morning is spent in class learning the law and your responsibilities, followed by a test. This is the real meat of the course.

The afternoon is live fire, about 100 rounds. While the distances and time allowances are such that great shooting ability is not required, it does give the instructors a chance to see if you can load and operate your firearm safely.

I think this is a fairly reasonable requirement. When I took the course, it cost $50 and included a free lunch.
 
There's no training requirement for getting a CCW here in NH and it's a non-issue. The fact of the matter is that people serious about it will take the time to seek out training. The people aren't that serious end up leaving their gun at home in the sock drawer because they can't be bothered to carry it. Mandatory training is a pointless "feel good" measure that serves no practical value except to complicate the process of exercising one's rights.
 
Whitefeather, I think that was how Sulemon Tolevich felt as he entered a mall not far from my home and Killed 6 men, women, and teens, as well as injuring 4 more at random with a shotgun and various other guns. He was a good kid, just ask his Mom! Either you are EQUALLY Psycho, or you are not. The only opponents to training are the ignorant few who somehow believe they inherited the power of the Voodoo magic from Uncle Daddy so they can't be taught anything they don't already know.:rolleyes:
Luckily, the TRAINING of an off duty officer put an end to such a spree as the body count climbed. If one is to believe that only cops need to train, then lock up your guns at home and let those well trained officers protect you always!
 
Morally I'm opposed because I don't believe the government should be regulating CCW or anything else related to firearms.
Practically I'm opposed because it should not cost more than the price of a gun and ammo in order to be able to defend yourself with a firearm.

All that being said, I also believe that you should pay dearly if you fail to get yourself properly trained and harm others through negligence.
 
I also believe that you should pay dearly if you fail to get yourself properly trained and harm others through negligence.
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Small comfort to a dead kid and a grieving family:cool:

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Small comfort to a dead kid and a grieving family
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Sorry Wild, but nobody guarenteed a safe life, but a little piece of paper guaranteed your right to arms shall not be infringed.


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