Lube

FP-10....

butch243,

See- good things DO come to those that wait:)

Give that 11-48 a good cleaning, and I know you'll give that chamber a going over with wisps of 0000 steel wool while your at it. Clean and lubed with FP-10 you'll be surprised....really.

Why you'll probably get a double or two on doves this season--hard to do when a gun jams...blows the excuses though when the grey missles sail on....

best.
 
FP-10 won me over

Thank you, George, for the sample of FP-10 cleaner/lube!

I like many aspects: 1.) There is no strong odor!..Now, I LOVE the smell of Hoppes #9, but I live in a smallish home and the old lady(I mean"wife")hates Hoppes' odor as much as I hate the smell of nailpolish remover! 2.) Nice, medium viscosity...gets in there to clean, leaves a light lubricating film.

I went to my outdoor range the day after my first use of FP-10: my CZ 75B seemed to cycle smoother -- don't know if it was my imagination, but it also seemed to eject the casings at the ideal 3-5 feet(before, they would go 6-8 feet).

FP-10 could replace several products as my only cleaner/lube. Thanks!

Steve Pirosh:)
 
SO I SAYS TO MYSELF, "MYSELF, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE?"

So I e-mail this noisy horn-blower of a self-proclaimed 'Lube Specialist" and I says "Okay, send me your free sample (oh, I love free gun stuff) so it can get added to my box full of other wonder-lubes", but I keep noticing all these other posts saying nice things about horn-blower's stuff.

Soooooooo I says to myself, "Myself, maybe horn-blower blows hard so we HEAR him".

I like a guy who knows his stuff is good. I'm looking forward to testing FP-10. I'm very very satisfied with BreakFree CLP. I have an open mind (that's why I have a box of other lubes). I owe no loyalty to any specific product or service; I'm free. I have NO financial ties to ANY OTHER gun-related product or service. I offer my opinion based on my experiences.

I already like this guy............................and free samples cost big bucks.........................and you got to have complete confidence in what you're offering.........................and I got a match coming September 7th in a blowing sand pit.........................perfect test.

(I had NO idea folks used WD-40 as a gun lube; I use it for cleaning sometimes before I use Gun-Scrubber.)
 
Heya Tim,

Ya knowz, I say's to meself, dis goy .....naw wait, that's your schtick!! LOL... :D

About this "horn-blower", is he any good? I like good jazz as much as the next guy! But ya know, when ya gots a small horn, ya gots to "blow harder" for doze folks to hear ya, specially if what you got, can blow dem all away, includin' da Sachmo....BF-CLP

Ya know how you can kinda sense someone's personality through the comms, be it email, the forums, or a land-line? (western union, american sign, semifore, morse code, etc.)

I could tell from our email exchange that I like this WESHOOT2 guy, too (Izzat redundant?).

As soon as I get you hooked up with that bottle of FP-10, the infolded order of all things will be unfolded before you. Take care Tim ;)
Something Wonderful Is About To Happen
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Hal, open the door....Hal,.....open the door, Hal......Hal....
Best,
George

Hey Steve hansolo...you are very welcome :D

Night all ......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
WESHOOT 2 ...

I tried FP-10 because I had played the "lube game", and the latest product -was ok-then changed its formula-NOT OK

So I had heard of FP-10 and did a internet search. E-mailed George, and asked "hey is FP-10 any good or just hype?"
George didn't bash anyone, didn't condemn me for having played the "lube game"-his response was " tell you what I'll send you a sample and you tell me".

Now this was a long long time ago, no free offers, nothing on the forums-He sends the sample along with tech info-which goes right over my head.

Well I tried it, and I've stayed with it since then. Use it exclusivley, the box of lubes is gone, nice to have one product for CLP

And oh yeah I "put it through the paces"--never, repeat, never has failed me.

Sand pit, don't worry about it, shoot well at the match,you'll have one less thing to worry about.
 
Steve's experiences above mirror mine. In 1997 I decided that I was going to find the best products for gun care. I tested dozens of products. In 2000 I joined the internet community, and discovered a company called Muscle Products Corp., the company that made Shooter's Choice FP-10. After almost two years of trials on every type of weapon I could get my hands on, numerous rust tests, and ASTM data comparisons, I came to the conclusion that FP-10 was definitely ONE of the best. It wasn't, however, the best protectant. That has now changed. I just recently started testing the new "improved" mil-spec formula. I have since discarded all my other products, as FP-10 CLP is the BEST gun care product I've ever used, period. Every aspect of FP-10 has been improved, so if you haven't tried it in a year or so, you should.

FP-10 has always been great, but now it is the BEST :) .

Clay
 
THIRTY YEARS LATER.....................

Thanks to all for the info, but I of course remain slightly skeptical.

I am willing to be convinced, though, as that's how I ended with BF CLP.
I normally run my guns dirty (dirtier)(unbelievably filthy) and slop on some CLP before matches.
Real cold, real hot, real sandy gritty rainy dusty real good.

Not as concerned about rust (they ALL rust).

I still use TetraSkunk for treating bores, and an occasional dab of TetraGrease for sears or slide stop pins.

So, I guess I'm saying "I'll let you know"...............
 
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D :D
Just got in from a day of dove shooting that was fantastic, not because there were that many doves, but what happened to my gun.
I have an old Remington model 1148 in 410 that was my first shotgun ( that was a lot of years) , and I dont think it has ever gone more than 5 rounds without a jam in it's history.
It was the reason that I started this thread in the first place . I have tried other lubes of all kinds, Breakfree, Remoil, even slick 50, + many others. FP10 is the first one to ever make that gun work . Fired 47 rounds today & not one hitch of any kind!:D :cool:
I'm sold I can stop looking now,but there is one thing , COULD YOU PUT SOMETHING IN THAT COULD MAKE ME GET MORE HITS FROM A BOX OF SHELLS?:o :rolleyes: :D :D
 
wait till the championship matches are over...

We are temporarily suspending our Free FP-10 offer for a short time but will repost it when it becomes available again, soon.
This offer has ended as of 3:00 PM EST, Sunday, September 1st, 2002
I have to devote the remaining time to the 3 major matches that we are sponsoring and I am shooting in the next 3 weeks.
http://www.fp10.com/sponsoredmatches.htm
Thank you all for your great participation and we'll be back to make it available again, very soon (probably at the end of this month).

Best regards,
George
 
butchb243:

I told you so :D

What - no doubles??

Ok - you want more hits from a box of shells-right? [hey I was right about the FP-10]

You take care of the physical factors- only about 10% of the equation, which are:
gun
footwear
clothing apparel
eye and ear protection--all these must work, fit , be comfortable etc
technique [stance, gun mount...]

The other 90% is mental. Take care of al the physical so you don't clog the mental

Skeet is a good way to learn the mindset, repetition becomes habit and habit becomes faith

So when the grey missle sails by your mental computer has been trained and conditioned such that less shells for more birds.

Didn't get to go opening day this year, 2 years ago 13 shells and 15 birds though...yeah I use FP-10 and used to shoot skeet competitvley...practice practice practice.

shoot safe and have fun...and don't get too serious,it'll clog the brain too.
 
If I put in lube cups , do you think this stuff will work on my atheritis?:D

Only used a few drops on the bolt rails before I went hunting the other day, but gave the gun a good cleaning when I got back , with FP10 . Cant wait to go again , now!:cool:
 
If I put in lube cups , do you think this stuff will work on my atheritis? :D
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Hey Butch (great post there, previous to this, too...thanks!!!)

Please use the suggested universal joint remedy...WD-40

:barf: :barf: :barf:

:D ;)
Best regards,
George
 
TRY KROIL

WD 40 can take the blueing off a gun. Blueing is a corrosion process and WD 40 removes corrosion. Kroil works for me, it cleans lubricates and protects. It's thin and gets into the pores of the metal.

Good shooting
 
Has anyone tried Butch's Gun Oil and have any opinions about it's lubrication qualities and protection against rust? I know Butch's Bore Shine seems to be a popular bore solvent so I was curious about the gun oil.
 
militec-1

New or old pistols both corbon and stainless steel.
What I found was the best procedure I have found by far.
Field strip as usual incliding the grips.
Totally clean with a good degreaser cleaner.
Wash in strong dish water detergent.
Rinse throughly under running water.
Bake in oven for one hour at 170 deg. thats my lowest setting on my oven.
While still warm coat completely with Militec-1.
Bake again for one hour.
Remove and lay on towel to drain turning several times.
Do this for one day because it will take some time to drain well.
Put it all back together.
Dry fire it and it will seem to be like a totally different gun.
The trigger pull will feel like it has had a trigger job.
Totally amazing.
I have been shooting over 40 years and this was
the most amazing thing I have ever done.
Hand it to a friend who has shot it a lot.
The next question will be who did the trigger job.
Ed
 
Chlorinated Bake Job + Moisture = Corrosion

Mr. Ellis,

How many firearms do you think will withstand a bath in a "chlorinated alpa olefin" at 60% chlorine by weight, and then subjected to a halogenating catalytic reacting temperature (near 210 deg F) forming a highly concentrated film of ferric chloride on the entire surface area of the firearm and then....exposing it to moisture or high humidity?

Let me tell you, the results can be catastrophic.

What you are suggesting to these folks, (and you better damn well be ready to take responsibility for your actions) is risking their firearms to a severe corrosion scenario that can result in metal etching, surface fracturing, micro-pitting, and the latticular breakdown of the structure of the steels near the surface due to surface depletion after exposure to moisture and the ferric chloride is replaced by ferric oxide (rust).

I am so distraught with the mythology and disinformation perpetrated by the likes of self appointed "pundits" of lubrication and firearms maintenence such as you seem to be, while giving no thought to the consequential outcome and lon-term affects that will be suffered by others, should the choose to take your "lubri-babble" seriously.

It would not surprise me to learn that someone else from the "dark side" had put you up to this rediculously dangerous concept of boundary film formation using Militec-1 (see above chemical description) in order to sensationalize the short term effect of the automotive/metalworking additive.

Tell you what I'm going to do....just for you and the folks who are interested...
I'll take some Militec-1, coat a piece of chrome moly steel test panel, after following your scrub-a-dub directions, and bake it as you say. Then, after drying, give it the old water vapor test and see what happens. Heck, I'll even take pictures and put them on the web for everyone to see, just like I did for the "rusty plate test" with BreakFree.

Now, you just wait there, and I'll be back soon, ya'hear?

Regards,
George
 
Reply to FP-10

1 Your company name raises a red flag.
2 Your product is not used by the military my research found.
3 I releaize your company is loosing a lot of sales to your competer.
4 I was not picking on your product ,just showing a much better product.
5 Militec backed backed up my post by email.
6 They are not stupid enough to back it up in writing
which would leave them open to a law suit.
7 If people do a through research on both products
You will loose more business.
8 When peoply loose their cool and get irate they loose
their ability to think clearly as you have and I suppect
you are going to have some problems with your boss.
9 Let the peoply do their own through research and make their
own decision.
10 People who loose their logical thinking quickly shoud not
be playing around with chemicals.
11 Educaion and a degree do not create an intelligence person.
12 I hope your company developes a product that ups every body else.
then I will do my research and praise it.
14 I wish you the best but feel sorry for you.
15 I am afraid I am going to see a rigged test in your reply.
16 Militec has already addressed the CLP type products.
 
While George Fennell does not always measure his words - his all-too-strong reaction to Cruzer's posts come to mind, the latter was merely answering queries from me and other members - he does nevertheless present detailed technical responses. I am in no position to judge their accuracy, but nor have I any reason to suspect their inaccuracy. In fact, George has made quite a convincing case, judging by the reaction on this and other forums.

Edwardellis, would you kindly proffer some specific replies to George's critique, or will you simply resort to semi-literate ramblings?

"Your company name raises a flag" :confused: "militec" sounds really contrived to some of us civvies out there...
 
WD-40 is the worst thing that you can use on your firearms.
It is not a very good lubricant and if coated with the stuff and stored it will leave a laquer like film that is a PITA to remove. It can and does eventually take blueing off.

AT best WD should only be used as an emergency lube or water remover when NOTHING else is available. Good old 3in1 oil is far better than WD for firearms.
That being said I would like to address some of the other lubes mentioned in this thread.

Break free is a decent lube and works well. It started to replace LSA in the 80's for the military. It worls far better than the old LSA issued back then.

FP-10 is also a very good lube, and if I am not mistaken, being that it had metal conditioners in it and does not rely upon PTFE particles suspended in oil especially if put inside a barrel. Never use anything with PTFE (Telfon) inside a barrel.

Tetra lube is an OK lube, but it depends on PTFE particles suspended in oil. I will void any warranty I put on my custom rifles if any product with PTFE in it is used in the bore.

TW-25 is another great lube and conditioner.

I have used all of these and really they all work great, with the exception of WD. wich is once again possibly the absolute worse thing to put on a gun that is said to be a lube.

Greases;
The brownell action magic is a very good one and I still use it on certain things.
One of the best all purpouse greases I ahve ever used on a firearm is STOS. It is big with the Trap shooters for ue on the hinges or thier O/U shotguns. It is very good.

i ahve also messed with many different bore lubes, even did testing on new ones that a company was trying come up with that would increase accuracy and velocity for real.

The only thing I can say after extensive testing and rounds down range is that none really work in the bore. Some work for a little while with increased velocity, but the increase was not worth the effort. Others actaully decreased velocity. None actaully raised accuracy over a barrel of the same make and accuracy potential with no bore lube at all.
Barrel life may or may not have increased, since even a thousand rounds in a 308 will not tell you much even with a borescope.

I would like to test FP-10 against TW-25 in an extended test in a CAR-15. The test would run 1500 round each with one aplication applied per the companies guidelines before testing.
The test would be done for function, wear, and ease of cleaning after the test.

Celt
 
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