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the duck of death
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Synthetic motor oil is used in race cars that turn 10-12 thousand RPMs I think its more than adequate for your banger. I've used it for years with good results and at $4 a qt at Wall Mart that's probably a life time supply. But you can throw your money away on those 2 & 4 oz bottles and keep a lot of people happy if you want to.
I'll Prove It !!
Some of you may have seen this posting on the 1911 Forum, Brian Enos' Forum, and the pistolsmith.com Forum. I'll make the same offer here....
"To the shooters out there who are interested, I'd like to give YOU the opportunity to prove to yourself, at no charge, that Firepower FP-10 CLP IS the superior CLP that you have heard others and myself talk about (seeing that this is alright with the board admin as not to be construed with openly marketing a product for self gain, but to demonstrate to the shooters that are interested, that the quality and proclamations of a product {FP-10}, are indeed what the manufacturer says, giving the shooter the best value for his dollar and saving them countless dollars on "chance buying" due to rumor or "hear-say").
I would like to do exactly what I did on Brian Eno's Forum first, then on the 1911 Forum, and on the pistolsmith.com Forum recently, in hopes that many of you will take advantage of my offer and put the FP-10 to the test. I have given hundreds of samples of FP-10 away in these "Offering up of Proof" give-aways, with an overwhelming response of complete satisfaction and the majority of "takers" becoming FP-10 converts after using it. I do NOT give away a "lousey little blister pack" that doesn't contain enough product to even finish what you started. You will receive a full, 1 ounce, heavy duty bottle and applicator, which is a regular retail item (remember that MANY of the products of this nature come in a full size, 4 ounce bottle, that you pay a premium dollar for). Here's what you'll get...
I will accept all emails requesting a free, "shooters bag" bottle of FP-10 (1 fluid ounce) for your own use and evaluation. I'll even pick up the freight on it all, and ship it UPS to your door. I respond to every email, personally to let you know that your request has been received, and that the FP-10 is "on it's way".
I have said for years, that I would rather put the FP-10 where my mouth is, and let the user see for themselves that all the talk in the world and high tech psycho-babble doesn't compare with the actual usage of any given product(s). That's where you separate the "Bull" from the "s**t", or on a lesser note, the "wheat from the chaff".
So those of you who have been in doubt or just curious to try Firepower FP-10 CLP...now is your chance. We'll bring it to you, free of charge.
Just email me at mpc@mpc-home.com or go to www.fp10.com and click on the offer there.
Dont forget to mention in your email, that you are taking advantage of the free offer (by me) on "thefireingline.com" Forum Board.
Wouldn't it be GREAT, if everyone could try any retail product first, before you end up spending your money on something that just didn't live up to the claims you read or heard about. I started this in the beginning of June, and there has been to my knowledge, only one other competitor to follow suit (see below).
Since Brad and Alan are giving away a sample too, why not go here (http://www.militec1.com), get one, and compare??
So what have you got to lose?...Go for it!!
Best regards,
George
Some of you may have seen this posting on the 1911 Forum, Brian Enos' Forum, and the pistolsmith.com Forum. I'll make the same offer here....
"To the shooters out there who are interested, I'd like to give YOU the opportunity to prove to yourself, at no charge, that Firepower FP-10 CLP IS the superior CLP that you have heard others and myself talk about (seeing that this is alright with the board admin as not to be construed with openly marketing a product for self gain, but to demonstrate to the shooters that are interested, that the quality and proclamations of a product {FP-10}, are indeed what the manufacturer says, giving the shooter the best value for his dollar and saving them countless dollars on "chance buying" due to rumor or "hear-say").
I would like to do exactly what I did on Brian Eno's Forum first, then on the 1911 Forum, and on the pistolsmith.com Forum recently, in hopes that many of you will take advantage of my offer and put the FP-10 to the test. I have given hundreds of samples of FP-10 away in these "Offering up of Proof" give-aways, with an overwhelming response of complete satisfaction and the majority of "takers" becoming FP-10 converts after using it. I do NOT give away a "lousey little blister pack" that doesn't contain enough product to even finish what you started. You will receive a full, 1 ounce, heavy duty bottle and applicator, which is a regular retail item (remember that MANY of the products of this nature come in a full size, 4 ounce bottle, that you pay a premium dollar for). Here's what you'll get...
I will accept all emails requesting a free, "shooters bag" bottle of FP-10 (1 fluid ounce) for your own use and evaluation. I'll even pick up the freight on it all, and ship it UPS to your door. I respond to every email, personally to let you know that your request has been received, and that the FP-10 is "on it's way".
I have said for years, that I would rather put the FP-10 where my mouth is, and let the user see for themselves that all the talk in the world and high tech psycho-babble doesn't compare with the actual usage of any given product(s). That's where you separate the "Bull" from the "s**t", or on a lesser note, the "wheat from the chaff".
So those of you who have been in doubt or just curious to try Firepower FP-10 CLP...now is your chance. We'll bring it to you, free of charge.
Just email me at mpc@mpc-home.com or go to www.fp10.com and click on the offer there.
Dont forget to mention in your email, that you are taking advantage of the free offer (by me) on "thefireingline.com" Forum Board.
Wouldn't it be GREAT, if everyone could try any retail product first, before you end up spending your money on something that just didn't live up to the claims you read or heard about. I started this in the beginning of June, and there has been to my knowledge, only one other competitor to follow suit (see below).
Since Brad and Alan are giving away a sample too, why not go here (http://www.militec1.com), get one, and compare??
So what have you got to lose?...Go for it!!
Best regards,
George
Alex Johnson
New member
WD-40 is my favorite, it's cheap (which is why a lot of gun companies who make oils and protective sprays caution against it's use) and it works. I always keep it around my shop and I don't hesitate to spray down a finshed rust blue job with it afterwards.
WD-40 is CHEAP..
Geeeze Alex, a free offer, and you are going to pass it up for WD-40? I must admit, you can't rub FP-10 on your arthritic joints with psycho-symatic results, but then again, that's not what the FP-10 was designed or intended for.....nor was WD-40 ever intended for firearms usage.
The WD stands for "Water Displacing", as it was designed for use on electrical circuits, and first being introduced in the late 60's and early 70's in the automotive aftermarket for displacing water in the ignition systems in distributor caps and sparkplug wiring. Then someone said, "hey, I'll bet this stuff would make a great lube", hence the saga of "anything that sticks or squeaks" began. After about $9 Million in advertising campaigns across America, and using the repetitive principals of "The Manchurian Candidate", we all stumbled around mumbling "...anthing that sticks or squeaks...WD-40..." and bought into it, lock stock, and barrell.
The evaporation rate of WD is pretty high, as after a couple days in the open air, most folks can't find a trace of it left. As for it's corrosion protection, well, there just doesn't seem to be a lot of good data out there with regards to that. As a lubricant with good anti-wear or extreme pressure attributes...nada again.
I'll make you a deal. Show me any "VIABLE" test data from an independant and qualified ASTM test lab that proves, that WD-40 is an "above average" lubricant, cleaner, or preservative for firearms, and I'll give you a lifetime supply of Firepower FP-10 CLP. How's that for "putting up"?
So, in the meantime, why don't you take the "FP-10 challenge" and just see what you have been missing (and what your guns have been missing) for years.
Come on....it's FREE....
You have nothing to lose.
Best regards,
George
Geeeze Alex, a free offer, and you are going to pass it up for WD-40? I must admit, you can't rub FP-10 on your arthritic joints with psycho-symatic results, but then again, that's not what the FP-10 was designed or intended for.....nor was WD-40 ever intended for firearms usage.
The WD stands for "Water Displacing", as it was designed for use on electrical circuits, and first being introduced in the late 60's and early 70's in the automotive aftermarket for displacing water in the ignition systems in distributor caps and sparkplug wiring. Then someone said, "hey, I'll bet this stuff would make a great lube", hence the saga of "anything that sticks or squeaks" began. After about $9 Million in advertising campaigns across America, and using the repetitive principals of "The Manchurian Candidate", we all stumbled around mumbling "...anthing that sticks or squeaks...WD-40..." and bought into it, lock stock, and barrell.
The evaporation rate of WD is pretty high, as after a couple days in the open air, most folks can't find a trace of it left. As for it's corrosion protection, well, there just doesn't seem to be a lot of good data out there with regards to that. As a lubricant with good anti-wear or extreme pressure attributes...nada again.
I'll make you a deal. Show me any "VIABLE" test data from an independant and qualified ASTM test lab that proves, that WD-40 is an "above average" lubricant, cleaner, or preservative for firearms, and I'll give you a lifetime supply of Firepower FP-10 CLP. How's that for "putting up"?
So, in the meantime, why don't you take the "FP-10 challenge" and just see what you have been missing (and what your guns have been missing) for years.
Come on....it's FREE....
You have nothing to lose.
Best regards,
George
UBoatCaptain
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WD 40 (not for firearms)!
I have been warned plenty of times that WD-40 is NOT a FIREARMS LUBRICANT! Primarily because WD-40 can penetrate and ruin cartridge primers. It is not recommended for firearms - period.
I have been warned plenty of times that WD-40 is NOT a FIREARMS LUBRICANT! Primarily because WD-40 can penetrate and ruin cartridge primers. It is not recommended for firearms - period.
Alex Johnson
New member
Firepower, my answer is why should I. WD-40 has worked for me for years and I have no complaints. I've used it hundreds of times on guns when I clean and work on them and I've had no problems.
Alex Johnson
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Can't speak for the missfires, I don't often experience them, than again I don't flood my guns with any oil or solvent either, a little goes a long way. Again I've had lots of experience with WD-40 and experience is better than say so, I don't doubt there are better protectants out there, but call me old fashioned WD-40 works for "me" and that's all that I'm concerned with.
Well, Alex, that is your choice, absolutely, but I cant help wondering why an Industrial Technologist, such as yourself, would be so closed minded about giving something else a try, based on a no-risk, no-investment basis. Even the staunchest beleivers in a product would take such an offer, in hopes of either finding out something they didn't like about the "challenging" product, or mainly, to see if there IS in fact, something better out there that excels in every way.
I won't lose any sleep, nor am I upset over the fact that you didn't/wouldn't take the "Free offer of Firepower FP-10 CLP". I just feel you could be better served in your overall capacities with FP-10, especially on your fine firearms.
I admire your tenacity and deeply rooted stance in what you beleive in and feel comfortable with. If you ever get curious or decide you may want to give the 'ol FP-10 a whirl, ... mpc@mpc-home.com .
Best regards, Alex,
George
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I won't lose any sleep, nor am I upset over the fact that you didn't/wouldn't take the "Free offer of Firepower FP-10 CLP". I just feel you could be better served in your overall capacities with FP-10, especially on your fine firearms.
I admire your tenacity and deeply rooted stance in what you beleive in and feel comfortable with. If you ever get curious or decide you may want to give the 'ol FP-10 a whirl, ... mpc@mpc-home.com .
Best regards, Alex,
George
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UBoatCaptain
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to gun oil-not to gun oil?
Alex,
Nothing for nothing (pun intended). I don't know George personally. However, I am been thru enough factory armorer classes to fill a book with technical data. I was warned several times not to use WD-40 - period! Maybe in a life and death survival situtation (and only to prevent rust) and starve the corrosive effects of climate on a gun. That is, if no conventional firearms oil was available and it was a choice (nothing vs. WD). WD-40 has been known to thicken and harden. I have had WD-40 destroy scope threads thru solidification (the threads welded shut) thereby ruining the scope. I have actually been warned in one armorers school to stay away from the stuff. Having used older bottles of FP-10. This stuff absolutely stopped any wear on the barrel of my Springfield Armory. On a molecular level, this stuff kills friction - period. I like the fact that George deals with the rust problem and engineers his product to protect steel from corrosion. Many lubricants do not. My only grip was the older FP-10 evaporated a bit fast. I hear the new version lasts a lot longer. It is good to be skeptical. But no one should be closed minded. BTW, if you ever exposed your firearms to climate and humidity. You may see the WD-40 thicken considerably. And the answer is no - I am not personal friends with George.
Alex,
Nothing for nothing (pun intended). I don't know George personally. However, I am been thru enough factory armorer classes to fill a book with technical data. I was warned several times not to use WD-40 - period! Maybe in a life and death survival situtation (and only to prevent rust) and starve the corrosive effects of climate on a gun. That is, if no conventional firearms oil was available and it was a choice (nothing vs. WD). WD-40 has been known to thicken and harden. I have had WD-40 destroy scope threads thru solidification (the threads welded shut) thereby ruining the scope. I have actually been warned in one armorers school to stay away from the stuff. Having used older bottles of FP-10. This stuff absolutely stopped any wear on the barrel of my Springfield Armory. On a molecular level, this stuff kills friction - period. I like the fact that George deals with the rust problem and engineers his product to protect steel from corrosion. Many lubricants do not. My only grip was the older FP-10 evaporated a bit fast. I hear the new version lasts a lot longer. It is good to be skeptical. But no one should be closed minded. BTW, if you ever exposed your firearms to climate and humidity. You may see the WD-40 thicken considerably. And the answer is no - I am not personal friends with George.
WD-40 vs. Reality
As I posted a few days ago, my friend uses nothing but WD- 40 to "clean/lube" his firearms. Just for fun, I asked if I could see the innards on his Colt Officer's 1911: he took it apart. Well.........it's amazing the poor thing could still cycle w/o blowing up. It lloked like it had been in a mudslide. "Damn!," my WD-40-loving friend said, "This is not GOOD!" I happily pulled-out my cleaning-supply box and, while he took off, did my normal Hoppes#9, Breakfree job. I put-on my Wal-Mart High-Power reading glasses and looked in nooks/crannies for sludge. I saved as much as I could on patches/rags. I didn't reassemble the pistol. When my friend returned to his pristine Colt and looked at the black/brown crap that I got out of it, he looked a tad sheepish 
He put 'er back together and racked it a few times...smooooth!
'nuff said!
As I posted a few days ago, my friend uses nothing but WD- 40 to "clean/lube" his firearms. Just for fun, I asked if I could see the innards on his Colt Officer's 1911: he took it apart. Well.........it's amazing the poor thing could still cycle w/o blowing up. It lloked like it had been in a mudslide. "Damn!," my WD-40-loving friend said, "This is not GOOD!" I happily pulled-out my cleaning-supply box and, while he took off, did my normal Hoppes#9, Breakfree job. I put-on my Wal-Mart High-Power reading glasses and looked in nooks/crannies for sludge. I saved as much as I could on patches/rags. I didn't reassemble the pistol. When my friend returned to his pristine Colt and looked at the black/brown crap that I got out of it, he looked a tad sheepish He put 'er back together and racked it a few times...smooooth!
'nuff said!
FWIW, I used Break-Free CLP for over a decade, and my only complaint was that it wasn't the best lubricant. In 1997 I decided to start testing different gun lubes. While I'm no scientist, I did learn a lot about tribology and such, mostly from the helpful folks at the various companies that I spoke with.
Well, after wasting several hundred dollars and lots of family time, I found what I think is the best lubricant, and CLP, on the market today - Muscle Products Firepower FP-10 CLP.
I've been using FP-10 for over a year now, on "everything that squeeks", from all my weapons to the doors on my truck. I am 100% satisfied with the products and the service from MPC.
Save yourself some time and money, and give FP-10 a go.
George, I can't believe I forgot to mention this earlier, but give my thanks to Amy for her help earlier this year, and most of all for her intestinal fortitude. Her ability to overcome the challenges dealt to her are a real inspiration. Her friends and family are blessed indeed! You go girl!
BTW, I've been posting here for over a year under my name, but I changed my E-mail and lost my password!
www.fp10.com
Best regards,
Clayton Hufford
Well, after wasting several hundred dollars and lots of family time, I found what I think is the best lubricant, and CLP, on the market today - Muscle Products Firepower FP-10 CLP.
I've been using FP-10 for over a year now, on "everything that squeeks", from all my weapons to the doors on my truck. I am 100% satisfied with the products and the service from MPC.
Save yourself some time and money, and give FP-10 a go.
George, I can't believe I forgot to mention this earlier, but give my thanks to Amy for her help earlier this year, and most of all for her intestinal fortitude. Her ability to overcome the challenges dealt to her are a real inspiration. Her friends and family are blessed indeed! You go girl!
BTW, I've been posting here for over a year under my name, but I changed my E-mail and lost my password!
www.fp10.com
Best regards,
Clayton Hufford
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drcohen = tribologist ??
Hey Clayton!
I think we found our old friend, little t, "tribologist", from pistolsmith.com, under a different name (with a little d), drcohen !!!
Would you just look at the constant plugs for TW25B and bestdefense.com:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=375537
Compare it to this one:
http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=11402&start=20
By Jove, I think we have a Ringer
Give it up, drcohen, tribologist, or whoever you are, and you should really stop using the "phony" technical handles, just so people will think you "might" know what you are talking about. The real experts are distinguished by the correct info they can provide, not just going around parroting "TW25B" or "bestdefense.com".
I may promote my FP-10, but I do it with factual info which involves Chemistry, Tribology, Metallurgy, and Lubrication Engineering...and I send anyone who request it, a free bottle of FP-10 so they can see for themselves.
Let's see you give out some free samples to the folks of that TW25B" that you are constantly touting.
Put up, or shut up.
George
Hey Clayton!
I think we found our old friend, little t, "tribologist", from pistolsmith.com, under a different name (with a little d), drcohen !!!
Would you just look at the constant plugs for TW25B and bestdefense.com:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=375537
Compare it to this one:
http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=11402&start=20
By Jove, I think we have a Ringer
Give it up, drcohen, tribologist, or whoever you are, and you should really stop using the "phony" technical handles, just so people will think you "might" know what you are talking about. The real experts are distinguished by the correct info they can provide, not just going around parroting "TW25B" or "bestdefense.com".
I may promote my FP-10, but I do it with factual info which involves Chemistry, Tribology, Metallurgy, and Lubrication Engineering...and I send anyone who request it, a free bottle of FP-10 so they can see for themselves.
Let's see you give out some free samples to the folks of that TW25B" that you are constantly touting.
Put up, or shut up.
George
Unfortunately, drcohen's posts over the years have probably cost TW-25B some sales. It really is good stuff. I've used it for three years on guns for pocket carry because the lint and grit easily blows or brushes off. Moving along to what I've read (and some name dropping), Larry Vickers has stated that TW-25B is the best for dry, dirty, dusty, sandy conditions.
I have a bottle of Shooter's Choice FP-10, but really need to use it a little more before pronouncing my undying loyalty to the brand. Meanwhile, it has worked extremely well on the few handguns(and one pump shotgun) I've used it on.
And lastly, I used WD-40 on my friend's duck gun after it went for a swim in the swamp. We couldn't find the one can of gun oil at the marina because he'd left it in the office when he was working on the stereo the night before. This was the only time I ever touched the stuff and I still feel guilty about it.
John
I have a bottle of Shooter's Choice FP-10, but really need to use it a little more before pronouncing my undying loyalty to the brand. Meanwhile, it has worked extremely well on the few handguns(and one pump shotgun) I've used it on.
And lastly, I used WD-40 on my friend's duck gun after it went for a swim in the swamp. We couldn't find the one can of gun oil at the marina because he'd left it in the office when he was working on the stereo the night before. This was the only time I ever touched the stuff and I still feel guilty about it.
John
Alex Johnson
New member
Alright Firepower, I'll give FP-10 a try. Being a bit closeminded is a problem of mine, but I guess it won't hurt to try something different. I still can't say that I have ever noticed any rusting on my firearms, but I guess I do take them apart on a regular basis for cleaning, so maybe I haven't provided much of an experiment. Anyway let's consider this arguement over, I'll try the FP-10, nothing more gets said about nasty old WD-40.
Hey johnbt,
You are probably right on that one, in drcohen's postings, causing them sales losses.
I have no qualms about TW25B and it's abilities as a grease, but once again, grease is not recommended on a firearm's action for all the various reason discussed before.
Give that FP-10 a workout and you'll find out it's EP properties are BETTER than a grease, and you don't have the thick, high viscosity, semi-solid boundary lubricant characteristics to deal with.
Maybe you should email me ( mpc@mpc-home.com ) and get a free sample of the current FP-10 that meets the CLP MIL Spec. I'd be happy to send one your way.
Best regards,
George
You are probably right on that one, in drcohen's postings, causing them sales losses.
I have no qualms about TW25B and it's abilities as a grease, but once again, grease is not recommended on a firearm's action for all the various reason discussed before.
Give that FP-10 a workout and you'll find out it's EP properties are BETTER than a grease, and you don't have the thick, high viscosity, semi-solid boundary lubricant characteristics to deal with.
Maybe you should email me ( mpc@mpc-home.com ) and get a free sample of the current FP-10 that meets the CLP MIL Spec. I'd be happy to send one your way.
Best regards,
George
My only qualms with TW-25B, which I've used quite a bit, is that it's expensive, difficult to use (compared to a CLP), and not the best protectant. FP-10 CLP is more effective than TW-25B, Tetra Gun, Break-Free CLP, RemOil, Mobil-1, G96, Sheath, UltimaLube, Militec-1, and every other product that I've tried.
Notice that George is the only person from a lubricant company posting on this, or any other forum? If so many products are better, why aren't the CEO's and technical directors here providing us with information? (rest assured, they ARE checking out the forums) They're not here because George will prove that his product is better. No one wants second best, especially when the losing product oftentimes costs more.
George doesn't have to post here to sell his product. (Heck he just ends up giving away free samples!) He chooses to be a part of the forums in order to help others, and to have a good time. That says a lot in my opinion.
Best regards,
Clay
Notice that George is the only person from a lubricant company posting on this, or any other forum? If so many products are better, why aren't the CEO's and technical directors here providing us with information? (rest assured, they ARE checking out the forums) They're not here because George will prove that his product is better. No one wants second best, especially when the losing product oftentimes costs more.
George doesn't have to post here to sell his product. (Heck he just ends up giving away free samples!) He chooses to be a part of the forums in order to help others, and to have a good time. That says a lot in my opinion.
Best regards,
Clay
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Ditto what CAH said-- to which I'll add one of the products above in my testing left a bolt action single shot a brown yucky mess, another product "burned" the plasic grips-this product is a CLP in a can, person waited till everything cleaned put grips back on, next time he cleaned-could not remove grips "burned' onto screws and frame--had to break grips off Beretta.
FWIW I have sent George some G96, remoil liquid, and Kleen bore Formula 3 for testing.
I don't have a need for these--exclusivley use FP-10
FWIW I have sent George some G96, remoil liquid, and Kleen bore Formula 3 for testing.
I don't have a need for these--exclusivley use FP-10
Hey! I started this mess about 2 months ago , never thought it would last this long and stopped looking at it about 2 weeks later . Just now found it again. George thanks for the free bee I just sent my E-mail . I have a remington 1148 that I love to shoot but it has always had a problem with jaming, As the lubes that I have tried have gotten better so has the problem, your FP 10 sounds like just what I was hoping to find with this thread. Can hardly wait to try it!