UH1-D Rotorhead
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In the real world wingchild...real up close and personal.
Losing America's republic?
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Scott Conklin
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"wingchild" Umm, yeah, alrighty then.
Sorry, wild, but you are essentially saying that my ancestors came over in far larger numbers of illegals than legals, as is the case with the criminal invasion currently going on. The fact is, this is not even vaguely true and I am aware of this because I am, in part, one of those paddys and I DO know my history. I also feel no need to rewrite it to serve an odd, often bizarre, largely illogical and indefensible agenda of apologetics for modern foreign criminals.
Also note, it's ESPECIALLY entertaining to so often see the same people who preach about oberying the law in one gun owner bashing thread do a 180 and defend major and widespread criminality in another. Hypocrisy, anyone? Blatant, even.
Sorry, wild, but you are essentially saying that my ancestors came over in far larger numbers of illegals than legals, as is the case with the criminal invasion currently going on. The fact is, this is not even vaguely true and I am aware of this because I am, in part, one of those paddys and I DO know my history. I also feel no need to rewrite it to serve an odd, often bizarre, largely illogical and indefensible agenda of apologetics for modern foreign criminals.
Also note, it's ESPECIALLY entertaining to so often see the same people who preach about oberying the law in one gun owner bashing thread do a 180 and defend major and widespread criminality in another. Hypocrisy, anyone? Blatant, even.
UH1-D Rotorhead
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It is also true that the same folk who defend lawbreaking when it comes to what some consider unjust gun laws, are the same one's who use the "criminality" arguement when it comes to attacking the undocumented...we can't have it both ways (wink).
Baba Louie
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We still elect our officials, so their faults are ours, and that's a good thing.
The business of America is still business, which is a curse and a blessing, so that's a good thing. Or not.
People from all over the world still seem to want to come here for some strange reason, in search of freedom and to pursue a dream that they can't achieve in their own country. I think that's a good thing.
Is this a Utopia? Yeah, right. Even with our warts and all, name half a dozen other nations on the face of this planet that offers you the chances this nation does to succeed, however you define success.
One thing that is discouraging (maybe) is the whole GHBush, WJClinton, GWBush (maybe HRClinton) leadership in the past 20 years... which could be construed to be empirical in a manner of speaking. But then again, it could have been Dukakis, Dole, Gore or Kerry. Some Choices huh?
The business of America is still business, which is a curse and a blessing, so that's a good thing. Or not.
People from all over the world still seem to want to come here for some strange reason, in search of freedom and to pursue a dream that they can't achieve in their own country. I think that's a good thing.
Is this a Utopia? Yeah, right. Even with our warts and all, name half a dozen other nations on the face of this planet that offers you the chances this nation does to succeed, however you define success.
One thing that is discouraging (maybe) is the whole GHBush, WJClinton, GWBush (maybe HRClinton) leadership in the past 20 years... which could be construed to be empirical in a manner of speaking. But then again, it could have been Dukakis, Dole, Gore or Kerry. Some Choices huh?
Scott Conklin
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I have no problem with this. I freely admit that I and others understand some laws are good and necessary and even required, while other laws are pointless and even destructive and must be either removed or ignored. Thus supporting good laws and opposing bad ones is in no way similar to, let alone comparable to, the hypocrisy of those who go around telling us how everything must be obeyed until changed in ways they approve of while they blissfully ignore whatever doesn't fit their agenda.
Wildalaska
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its even more entertaining to find folks making up their own interpretation of other folks positions...so show me where I have defended major and widespread illegality...
Unless you referring to my objections to the rascist tenor of the discussions?
Sure and begorrah, lets legalize some but not others
http://www.irishlobbyusa.org/press/nytninamar16.phpWildredirectionanyone,blatantevenAlaska
mikejonestkd
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>>WildandtheninternettoowhereeventheuniformedcanbeanexpertAlaska<
I am good looking too!!! And rich!!! And I drive a nice sports car.
Seriously, doom and gloom have been a part of world history, it is not an american made ' chicken little ' outlook.
Pay attention to the national scene and try to make a postitive difference locally, that's about all anyone can really do in one lifetime.
I am good looking too!!! And rich!!! And I drive a nice sports car.
Seriously, doom and gloom have been a part of world history, it is not an american made ' chicken little ' outlook.
Pay attention to the national scene and try to make a postitive difference locally, that's about all anyone can really do in one lifetime.
Scott Conklin
New member
You're funny. Predictably misleading, too. You keep making excuses for illegals and you do it regularly. Eternally seeking "compromise" while eschewing compromise regarding your(assumed and so claimed) fellow gun owners.
There is no racist tenor, only your label of such to dismiss the discussion when it doesn't follow your preferred course.
Yup, by golly, that sure is evidence in support of the current invasion. Wow.
Yep, that is definitely your usual mode.
Wildalaska
Moderator
And ad hominems are evidently yours.
But hey, whatever works, you wont convince me, I wont convince you.
WildbutbasedonthenumberandtenorofemailsigetiamwinningheartsandmindsinthegreatbattleforesponsiblegunownershipAlaska
But hey, whatever works, you wont convince me, I wont convince you.
WildbutbasedonthenumberandtenorofemailsigetiamwinningheartsandmindsinthegreatbattleforesponsiblegunownershipAlaska
My great-grandfather used to bemoan the fact that the "entire country has been going to hell" ever since we got involved in World War I (he was a veteran of that war). My grandfather thought that Roosevelt's policies during the Depression were unconstitutional, and my father believes that we haven't had a real president since Truman.
It's pretty much established that each generation believes that the world is going to hell as they age, and things change. I, as well, have lived through the Cold War, the Space Race, the Cuban Crisis, the Gas shortages, the Mariel Boatlift, Vietnam, Korea, and both Gulf Wars. Predictably, every one was greeted by people who believed that we were:
1) Wrong
2) Going to lose
3) Wrong
4) spending us broke
5) yeah, you guessed it.
The only part of the dire predictions that proved true was , uh-huh, that they were ALL WRONG.
The Exxon Valdez disaster didn't render the coast of Alaska lifeless. We have more proven oil reserves today than the " CIA report of the 1980s" said was total in the world, and dropping. Water is cleaner in the United States today than in the past two hundred years, and the air is overall cleaner than anything sincve the 1700s. People live longer productive lives, famine is unheard of here, and we have more enhancements to our lifestyle than at any point in the history of mankind.
Still, there are those who would look hard to find anything that they disagree with, and pose it as a problem that will end life as we know it. If they can't actually find it, they'll manufacture it by cherry-picking bits and pieces, and manufacture a problem , based solely on their faulty interpretation of a specific sentence in a political document. Then, they wail about it like a Lebanese funeral professional.
We have a lot to learn about this world yet. We have a lot to learn about the people in it, as well. Not everything is black and white, and your opinion is no better than the next person's.
It's pretty much established that each generation believes that the world is going to hell as they age, and things change. I, as well, have lived through the Cold War, the Space Race, the Cuban Crisis, the Gas shortages, the Mariel Boatlift, Vietnam, Korea, and both Gulf Wars. Predictably, every one was greeted by people who believed that we were:
1) Wrong
2) Going to lose
3) Wrong
4) spending us broke
5) yeah, you guessed it.
The only part of the dire predictions that proved true was , uh-huh, that they were ALL WRONG.
The Exxon Valdez disaster didn't render the coast of Alaska lifeless. We have more proven oil reserves today than the " CIA report of the 1980s" said was total in the world, and dropping. Water is cleaner in the United States today than in the past two hundred years, and the air is overall cleaner than anything sincve the 1700s. People live longer productive lives, famine is unheard of here, and we have more enhancements to our lifestyle than at any point in the history of mankind.
Still, there are those who would look hard to find anything that they disagree with, and pose it as a problem that will end life as we know it. If they can't actually find it, they'll manufacture it by cherry-picking bits and pieces, and manufacture a problem , based solely on their faulty interpretation of a specific sentence in a political document. Then, they wail about it like a Lebanese funeral professional.
We have a lot to learn about this world yet. We have a lot to learn about the people in it, as well. Not everything is black and white, and your opinion is no better than the next person's.
Wildalaska
Moderator
yeah but we are groaning under the hobnail boot of an oppressive regime because we HAVE to get a 1 minute background check done before we buy a gun
WildletsgettotherooftopsAlaska
And which laws are those that you feel should be ignored? What if we disagree on those laws?
I feel the laws keeping "illegals" illegal are one of those that are pointless and should be ignored.
You feel others are the ones that are pointless and should be ignored.
What makes the ones I ignore or you ignore more right than the others?
Ignoring laws is ignoring laws, and if you choose to ignore a law that you feel is pointless, it is no more right or wrong than someone else ignoring as law they see a pointless, even if that's one of the laws you are so sure isn't pointless.
Ignoring a law, ANY LAW, is illegal.
You may know it, but your not real clear on it.
Smart guy, he got all of his degrees from Berkeley and liked to study communist China and Mao.
"From 1967 until 1973, Johnson was a consultant to the Office of National Estimates (O.N.E.) within the CIA. He largely dealt with issues involving communist China and Maoism. From 1967 until 1972, he also served as chairman of the Center for Chinese Studies at Berkeley."
But what does he know about democracy?
John
"From 1967 until 1973, Johnson was a consultant to the Office of National Estimates (O.N.E.) within the CIA. He largely dealt with issues involving communist China and Maoism. From 1967 until 1972, he also served as chairman of the Center for Chinese Studies at Berkeley."
But what does he know about democracy?
John
LightningJoe
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Actually, it started with the American Civil War. That was the war in which the national government conquered the states. The Great Depression, WWII, and the Cold War all had the effect of consolidating the power of the national government. Importing 100 million Mexican nationals (don't think it'll stop with the ones who are here now) will not improve things.
Nope, it's illegal for anyone other than a Mexican national to own ocean front property in Mexico. You also cannot own the majority of a business, you cannot vote, and if you enter Mexico illegally it's the equivalent of a felony and you get sent to jail. While in jail in Mexico you will not be fed at more than a subsistence level, you will not have a right to a public defender, your trial will not be held in English nor translated for you, if you get sick while in jail your medical will be covered by your family or you will receive no medical attention. The list goes on......
Scott Conklin
New member
I'm pretty sure that was rather my point: Some people don't seem to recognize their own hypocrisy.
"Nope, it's illegal for anyone other than a Mexican national to own ocean front property in Mexico."
You're behind the times. More than a decade behind. John
"TOP 10 MYTHS ON OWNING OCEAN FRONT PROPERTY IN MEXICO"
www.transcaribbeantrust.com/TCTSEPTEMBER2006.htm
1. "Fact- Beginning in 1994, the Mexican Government has allowed foreigners to own ocean front property in Mexico, via their own Mexican Corporation. The Corporation, being a legal entity, holds title to the property, and you own the Corporation. You need at least two people as stockholders, you and a colleague; attorney; accountant; family member; etc. Your Mexican Corporation can own ocean front property, even if, its owners are foreigners to Mexico."
You're behind the times. More than a decade behind. John
"TOP 10 MYTHS ON OWNING OCEAN FRONT PROPERTY IN MEXICO"
www.transcaribbeantrust.com/TCTSEPTEMBER2006.htm
1. "Fact- Beginning in 1994, the Mexican Government has allowed foreigners to own ocean front property in Mexico, via their own Mexican Corporation. The Corporation, being a legal entity, holds title to the property, and you own the Corporation. You need at least two people as stockholders, you and a colleague; attorney; accountant; family member; etc. Your Mexican Corporation can own ocean front property, even if, its owners are foreigners to Mexico."