sevt_chevelle said:I'll take a CZ over a Sig any day of week.
Not me, but as this thread shows opinions vary a lot.
sevt_chevelle said:I'll take a CZ over a Sig any day of week.
The SIGs are great guns, no question about it. Somehow I've never ended up with a SIG, but it's not because I think poorly of them. I have friends who own them and are happy with them and the ones I've shot have been very accurate.Kudos to John for pointing out the results of the trials. Years on here and the results of the SIG with the dried mud test somehow always get ignored. IIRC it lead to the so called “mud rails” on some SIG pistols where the rails were scalloped to provide a place for debris to be cleared (this was not a long lived change). I had one such pistol that was a Herndon, VA SigArms import before they were in NH.
If you want a CZ they make a few models with the omega trigger system. This allows you to swap from safety to decocker style plus the controls are ambi.
IMO the CZ P07/09 are highly underrated pistols.
I'll take a CZ over a Sig any day of week.
Just bite the bullet...get a shadow 2 and everything else will collect dust.
Having a P-09, I find their current resurgence highly overrated. The trigger at best was crap and total mush.
I think the Beretta X is the best "deal" on the market right now in 17rnd, 15rnd, and 13rnd and smaller grip frame. Only thing wrong is the rounded trigger guard...doh! Otherwise, you aren't going to spend less than 600 with an optics ready metal frame gun that isn't the AREX or Witness.
Not me, but as this thread shows opinions vary a lot.
The AREX is tempting for me too.
It's a shame the run of the mill P226 Enhanced E isn't being made right now. At its normal pricing around 600, that is the no brainer. But it isn't being made right now. The Legion is mostly the Enhanced minus stuff no but P226 fan cares about and has a crappy coating. The Legion really needs to go away.
I have a thought though on the AREX. The CZ clone SAR B6. Everything about it should be good. But the trigger isn't great, it's not +P rated, and the gun is SS making you realize that SS is a cost cutter. Not one youtube on it showed anything but it fires a bullet and that's it's accuracy.
Yeah, the AREX might be a good cheap way to go as a CZ99/P226 clonish...but I have some doubts on long term and Sig just might have enough better quality in it to make accuracy better... However, I was just looking at them yesterday too.
If you find something on accuracy, post up the link please!
Find it odd that people I take shooting, Sig p series, Beretta 92 performance, 3rd gen Smiths, M&Ps, FN, 1911s, hipower, they all say "WOW" that's nice after handling my crappy CZs.
The Arex would be nice but it's no clone, how's the part availability?
The Sig legions are nothing special, undercut trigger guard and front serrations. Throw a SRT kit and a grey guns trigger and you got the same thing.
The X5 isn't coming back and certainly not at 1500 bucks.
Have you shot a shadow? It's one of the most popular if not the most popular gun in competition based games.
As far as I can tell nobody has mentioned the Bersa line of Argentine pistols. I have 2 of the Bersa Thunders in .380 that I like quite well.
If you are just adding and not an older DA, the H&K comes to mind. I have shot the P-30. Feel wise of all the (only revolver of DA Semi) that one is the best.
I have shot the P220 (aka BDA 45) and its a top choice and due to its legacy, probably my top choice. Kind of the Python of DA SA in my view.
Best bang for the buck would be the Sig SP2022 with (at least mine) very good SA trigger.