looking for accuracy

accuracy

if you cant make 25 yard head shots with a glock, or any other pistol that sells for more than $150, it's you, not the gun.
 
I'd have to disagree. I can't manage that level accuracy with any of my Ruger P95 or P89 pistols. On the other hand, I agree with the general idea that accuracy problems are far more likely to be a shooter issue than a firearm issue.

Most of my autopistols will manage 3" to 5" groups at around 25 yards, and some of that is me, not the pistols. But there are a few that just won't group that well no matter what I try.
 
I have owned two S&W 4506's. The one I own now, I will never part with. Both were/are accurate and easy to hit with, but this one I have now, I will put up against anything. I own a highly customized 1911 S/A that I had built before you could buy them that way. It has a superb trigger as part of the work I had done, and I can do little better with it than the 4506-1 that I carry for CCW. It is amazingly accurate, and has never balked with anything I run through it. It will feed empties from the magazine even. It is no trick to put the entire magazine into one ragged hole at 15 yards, and almost that tight at 25. It is an S/A-D/A gun to boot, so it is a practicle house gun.
I have seen several for sale lately, but they don't last long. Those who are familiar with them, know what they are capable of, and snatch them up quickly.
 
pure accuracy - my vote goes with the S&W 52 in a semi or their K38 Masterpiece in a revolver. Since the 52 is really not going to work for your intentions, any gun that you have been properly trained for and spend time practicing will do just fine for SD/HD
 
I didn't mean glocks are inaccurate. I can hit a bowling pin at 50 yards with it, on one CA legal clip. I just know that glocks aren't known for their superior accuracy, but more for reliability. As for the DE it's great but in 44 mag they do jam up from time to time, and For home defense i just want better.
 
I'd have to disagree. I can't manage that level accuracy with any of my Ruger P95 or P89 pistols.
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John, what "level of accuracy" are you talking about? The guy never even came close to defining what he meant by "accurate." :confused:

Bottom line, top line, and every line in between: whenever someone asks what gun they should get for accuracy, you should automatically have a couple three red flags up concerning their experience and current ability.

The chances of an experienced shooter ever asking this question is extremely small. Why? Because he/she realizes fully that most guns are better shooters than he/she is capable of realizing.

The only handgun that I have ever owned that I am SURE I can outshoot is my Walther P22. All my GLOCKs, SIGs, CZs, 1911s, and XDs can outshoot me any day of the week. If I print a poor group, I acknowledge that it was I that printed the bad group, not the gun.

Anyone who is truly a better shooter than their GLOCK would not be asking about recommendations for accurate handguns. Ask Dave Sevigny, Julie Goloski or any other current or former GLOCK (or other brand for that matter) competitor.
 
Um, you can get a bad specimen of *anything*, Glock included, that just won't shoot well without some work.

Overall, you'll get better accuracy for the dollar with revolvers than autos, and you'll get better accuracy on average with an SA revolver versus DA.

The most accurate revolvers in the world are made by Freedom Arms:

http://www.gunblast.com/Freedom_97-22.htm

Sub-1" groups at 100 yards. Accurate enough?
 
John, what "level of accuracy" are you talking about? The guy never even came close to defining what he meant by "accurate."
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I should have been more specific.

I meant to respond to your comment about head shots @ 25 yards. In my experience I can not attain that level of accuracy consistently with my Ruger P95 pistols nor with my P89. Practical accuracy is not an issue with them, but they won't make little tiny groups at 25 yards.

I do agree that most autopistols are a lot more accurate than people give them credit for. For example:
  • Glocks tend to shoot around 3" 5 shot groups at 25 yards. I can usually shoot to their capability if I take my time.
  • Beretta 92 pistols in good conditions tend to beat the Glocks by a little bit in my experience. I have trouble matching their capability.
  • My CZ-75 pistol averages under 3" for 5 shot groups at 25 yards when I stop and take my time. As with the Beretta 92 pistols, I have trouble shooting as well this gun will.
 
I meant to respond to your comment about head shots @ 25 yards.
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That wasn't my post but I get your meaning now. :)

Headshots at 25 yards? On a paper target with nobody shooting back at me? Sure, I can do that offhand with almost any of my handguns; it amounts to a 3 or 4" group. Most any handgun can do that from a rest. If it doesn't turn in the same group from a shooter's hand, it's not the gun's fault and that's my point here: an experienced handgunner would never ask for suggestions about an accurate handgun. He would either know that either he himself is to blame for the poor groups or, if he truly could shoot better than the gun was letting him shoot, he would already know what gun to buy next because he'd be so steeped in the shooting sports that he'd be living, breathing, sleeping, eating and drinking guns, guns, guns.

No offense meant to the OP. Please understand that. You simply need to work on the basics. Accuracy is NOT something you can buy! The gun is only as good as you are. Sure you can spend $2000 on a nice Freedom Arms revolver (droooool! :p ) but if you can't shoot well to begin with you will not shoot well with your new expensive toy.
 
I love the post "a bowling pin at 50 yards?" Are there really people here that think a bowling pin at 50 yards is a difficult shot? Practice grasshopper...
 
Bowling pin @ 50 yards

The way I read it I think he means at least once out of a 10 round clip. I think I can do that.
I had a 4" S&W model 19 (I gave it to my daughter when she moved to a questionable neighborhood) I was surprised myself to find that I can shoot my Glock Model 22 as well if not better than the Smith.
I have to say that the sweetest shooting pistol I ever shot was an old Browning High Power.
 
My son in law has a Sig 226. He is horrible with it. I mean really horrible as in 12-18 inch groups on a cardboard box 15 feet away. He didn't get much better from a rest.

I let him shoot a few of my handguns and he was remarkably good. He just couldn't shoot his Sig.
 
Glocks are not inaccurate guns. Accuracy with a gun has more to do with the shooter practicing than with the model of the gun.
 
Huh?

the glock was inaccurate
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I can hit a bowling pin at 50 yards with it,
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Don't understand about the Glock/accuracy business.
It's "inaccurate" and yet you can hit a bowling pin at 50 yards with it. Since you are looking for a SD gun and SD situations are normally under seven yards, you certainly have more than enough accuracy from the Glock and evidently reasonable skill.
So what's the problem?
Pete
 
I didn't mean glocks are inaccurate. I can hit a bowling pin at 50 yards with it, on one CA legal clip. I just know that glocks aren't known for their superior accuracy, but more for reliability.
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Hmmm. Which guns are known for superior accuracy? I can't think of any, off hand, unless you're willing to pay $1000 or so, for a low-end model. (That gun will have a lot of specialized work done to it.)

I have several very accurate guns, including a SIG 220 Match, a Sphinx Compact, a nice older BHP, and a stock Glock 34. I once had a DaeWoo DP-51 that shot as accurately as any of them, but foolishly traded it away.

I don't think you're going to find a simple answer to your question. And I think you can do better with that Glock than you realize.
 
I'm convinced that accuracy is 90% shooter, 10% gun. Yes, I know that some guns are inherently more accurate than others but, in fact, human error and talent probably remain the biggest variable in determining how accurately one shoots.

I've taught myself to be a competent shot with a double action revolver. By "competent" I mean 1 1/2" groups pretty consistently at 10 yards, and 2 1/2" groups at 15 yards. I can do that with any double action revolver I own and I can do it all day long. I am slightly less accurate at these distances with my 1911 but I attribute that to the fact that I've owned it for only a couple of months and have put less than 200 rounds through it. So, I'm still learning to shoot that gun.

Beyond 15 yards, it's a crapshoot for me. My 63-year old eyes just don't allow me to see what I'm shooting at well enough to be truly accurate at longer ranges. I could fire the most accurate handgun ever made and I still wouldn't get really good groups at, say, 25 yards. So, for me, the really fine points of accuracy are pretty much irrelevant at longer distances. I accept that I'm a good shot, sometimes an excellent shot at shorter ranges and that I truly suck at longer distances. Short of putting a scope on my guns, I'm left with that reality.

My guess is that most of you are like me. Your vision may be better than mine but other factors almost certainly interfere with you wringing the absolute highest possible degree of accuracy out of your guns. So, I suspect, for most of us, this discussion of what is "super accurate" is interesting but, in reality, pretty much irrelevant.
 
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