Long range shooting system

I have both watched and shot .308's in 1000 yard matches shooting better scores than other cartridges including magnums and standard ones in 24 through 30.
A good wind doper that shoots well with a .308 easily outscores the others.
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That doesn't make it the better cartridge.

That says more about the shooter's ability, or even more about the other shooter's LACK of ability on that day.
 
Snyper, have you ever put 15 or 20 consecutive shots in 2/3rds as many minutes inside 1/2 MOA at 800 to 1000 yards with any rifle held against your shoulder?

Or inside 1 MOA; I think you've claimed to have several such rifles.
 
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Bart,
Most people shooting the 6mm do not let the rifle touch their shoulder. That is much of the point of shooting the 6mm. The recoil is so light that you can easily manage shooting the rifle in free recoil. Some people shoot .308 free recoil, but it is honestly more than I can manage, unless we are talking about unlimited weight rifles.
It is tough to beat a flat bottom 6BR Norma sitting on mechanical rests that are baby powdered down.
 
Reynolds, with a 20 to 30 pound rifle rigged to shoot free recoil, even big 30 caliber Mag's have set benchrest records at long range.
 
Snyper, have you ever put 15 or 20 consecutive shots in 2/3rds as many minutes inside 1/2 MOA at 800 to 1000 yards with any rifle held against your shoulder?

Or inside 1 MOA; I think you've claimed to have several such rifles.
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Have you ever seen me repeatedly state I'm talking about off the shelf hunting rifles?

I know you shoot competition, but that doesn't relate to every topic

More info on Savage:

August 10th, 2007:

Now, Savage has taken all the features of the high-dollar F-Open-Class custom rifles, and built them into a production gun that can compete in the class that allows any production rifle.
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http://www.gunblast.com/Savage-12F.htm
 
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Snyper,You ever shot any of Savages long range or Varmint rifles? None of them are custom shop. They are hunting rifles. They are scary accurate.
 
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Snyper,You ever shot any of Savages long range or Varmint rifles? None of them are custom shop. They are hunting rifles. They are scary accurate.
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I never said they were custom
I said they were specifically built for competition
You can call it a "hunting gun", but Savage said it was a target rifle

I'll take their word on that


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Now, Savage has taken all the features of the high-dollar F-Open-Class custom rifles, and built them into a production gun that can compete in the class that allows any production rifle.
http://www.gunblast.com/Savage-12F.htm
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I call their target rifles target rifles and their hunting rifles hunting rifles. You seem to not know the difference.
These are "hunting rifles." These are the ones I called "hunting rifles." Savage also calls them "hunting rifles."

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/11LONGRANGEHUNTER

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/11InternationalTrophyPredatorHunterBrush

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/12VLPDBM

I am sure you will call them "bench rest rifles in disguise" or something of the sort.:rolleyes:
 
When wood and synthetic stocked rifles were popular in high power rifle matches with 30 caliber cartridges, I used to wonder why those based on the Winchester 70 action shot the most accurate; both in scores on bullseye targets and when clamped in machine rests testing ammo for accuracy. And they were the most reliable. Then I learned why when I tried using a Rem 700 action to build one.

A Remington factory field rep used his Winchester 70 based rifle to win the High Power Nationals in 1964.
 
Bart, I know that. You know that. Anyone who has bedded both actions knows that. BUT, I heard from listening to Jimmy Joe and Bobby Joe (talking bout their huntun rifles) that Remington is more accurate. So, Remington is more accurate.
I only have one truly accurate 700 action and it is in a sleeve with a flat bottom. An old gunsmith with much more patience than I have did the sleeve work.

Snyper, the predecessors of those rifles existed. With the exception of the BR action, the accu trigge(no real improvement) and the Axis(definitely not an improvement), nothing is really new with Savage. Cosmetics is about it. I have 4 Savage Varmint rifles made in the late 70's to early 80's. .22-250, .243, .223, .223. I honestly believe they would shoot with my Bat/Lilja custom if they were chambered in 6br like it is.
 
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I honestly believe they would shoot with my Bat/Lilja custom if they were chambered in 6br like it is.
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Beliefs are fine
I'm waiting to see data before I change mine, and it doesn't seem to exist
 
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