4runnerman
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I do not know how many he shot Bart. It was 2707 yards not 2007. I only found it becase I reallly want to get a 338,but money wise and range wise not sure if it is fesable for me.
Long Range Precision Rifle Questions.
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2707 yards means bigger numbers. I'm interested in seeing them probably double. Thanks for getting my attention when I'm sleepy and only half functional.
The new numbers are in the corrected post above. Big ones, too.
If his rifle and ammo has a 2 MOA accuracy level (darned good at that range, in my opinion), that's about 4.5 feet. When fired off ones shoulder, it'll shoot near 4 MOA, that's almost 9 feet.
The new numbers are in the corrected post above. Big ones, too.
If his rifle and ammo has a 2 MOA accuracy level (darned good at that range, in my opinion), that's about 4.5 feet. When fired off ones shoulder, it'll shoot near 4 MOA, that's almost 9 feet.
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zach_
I guess you could say we are brothers in arms, Bart B. is Navy, I'm Army, it's natural there be some friction there.
It is also that Bart B. is accuracy and competition focused, which isn't always the right mix you need for military sniper operations (hence the reason the Army considers a 3 MOA Barrett a sniper system).
When it comes to precision rifle shooting for competition or personal enjoyment, it pays to listen to what Bart B. writes.
Jimro
I guess you could say we are brothers in arms, Bart B. is Navy, I'm Army, it's natural there be some friction there.
It is also that Bart B. is accuracy and competition focused, which isn't always the right mix you need for military sniper operations (hence the reason the Army considers a 3 MOA Barrett a sniper system).
When it comes to precision rifle shooting for competition or personal enjoyment, it pays to listen to what Bart B. writes.
Jimro
1000 yards isn't that difficult with most centerfire cartridges (on a calm day). I have a buddy who single loads 82gr Bergers in his 223 AR and consistently hits steel at 1100.
Of course, once you start going "uknown target size, unknown distance, unknown shooter to target angle, unknown meteorological data" things start getting tougher. That is why there are all sorts of gadgets like laser rangefinders, anenometers/barometers/hygronometers, and angle cosine indicators to give you accurate distance, slope, and met data to make a first shot hit on the target. When you look at things that way, it is understandable that the military considers 1 MOA more than enough precision for anti-personnel and 3 MOA for anti-material.
The 338 Lapua is a very impressive cartridge numbers wise, but I still recommend the 300 Win Mag to anyone who wants to get into long range shooting over the 338. Pushing a 220 SMK the 300 keeps up with the 338 pushing a 250gr quite nicely. You really have to go to the 300gr SMK (or a 270 JLK) in the 338 to outshine the 300 Win Mag, and then, only out past 1500.
Jimro
Of course, once you start going "uknown target size, unknown distance, unknown shooter to target angle, unknown meteorological data" things start getting tougher. That is why there are all sorts of gadgets like laser rangefinders, anenometers/barometers/hygronometers, and angle cosine indicators to give you accurate distance, slope, and met data to make a first shot hit on the target. When you look at things that way, it is understandable that the military considers 1 MOA more than enough precision for anti-personnel and 3 MOA for anti-material.
The 338 Lapua is a very impressive cartridge numbers wise, but I still recommend the 300 Win Mag to anyone who wants to get into long range shooting over the 338. Pushing a 220 SMK the 300 keeps up with the 338 pushing a 250gr quite nicely. You really have to go to the 300gr SMK (or a 270 JLK) in the 338 to outshine the 300 Win Mag, and then, only out past 1500.
Jimro
birdie_in_texas
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So, after just joining this forum specifically because I ran across this post, it seems I lucked into a good option for myself, as I am in the same exact boat as the OP..except that I grew up with a .22LR and .243 in my hands from the time they let me plow by myself.
A few months ago, me and my befuddled friends all decided we needed to be able to shoot "long". We had no real idea what that meant until we had wasted many $100's of dollars on cheap AR's, cheap bolt .223's, etc..
I have traded in my Adams AR to Buds and now have a DPMS 260rem on the way. I decided that since I have very shallow pockets indeed for this activity, that the 260 will provide me with the ability to actually "reach out there" some, while also being able to take care of business up much closer if need be. Now if we can just figure out how to get the Rock chucker into action..!
For the OP..
I have been searching all over the net, as well as the gun show that was going on this weekend, and found that there is indeed an easier time to be had finding 260rem factory loads as compared to finding 6.5 Creedmoor.
Sportmans guide seems to be the best for the cheaper stuff, but Midway also has a few choices in stock, and on sale.
Good luck with your endeavor sir..!
A few months ago, me and my befuddled friends all decided we needed to be able to shoot "long". We had no real idea what that meant until we had wasted many $100's of dollars on cheap AR's, cheap bolt .223's, etc..
I have traded in my Adams AR to Buds and now have a DPMS 260rem on the way. I decided that since I have very shallow pockets indeed for this activity, that the 260 will provide me with the ability to actually "reach out there" some, while also being able to take care of business up much closer if need be. Now if we can just figure out how to get the Rock chucker into action..!
For the OP..
I have been searching all over the net, as well as the gun show that was going on this weekend, and found that there is indeed an easier time to be had finding 260rem factory loads as compared to finding 6.5 Creedmoor.
Sportmans guide seems to be the best for the cheaper stuff, but Midway also has a few choices in stock, and on sale.
Good luck with your endeavor sir..!
. 6MMBR- very accurate and easy to load for. Brass very abundant, Using 107 Match bullets, 1000 yards is a cakewalk.