Lets talk .22LR Semi Autos

Take a look at the new(ish) S&W Victory 22. I just picked one up and I'm blown away on the build quality and versatility of this pistol. I believe it is an improvement over the Ruger Mk's and the Brownings that have ruled the 22LR-SA roost for so long.
-SS-
 
Picked this one up at a rummage sale. Erma, made in Germany .22 Long Rifle.



Still though, I prefer Ruger Mark pistols for GREAT performance.
 
While the Ruger Mk series of pistols have always been good shooters,I could just never get used to the grip angle of them.
High Standard pistols are great guns if the price isn't too high.

I have a Browning Buckmark and a S&W 22A that are very accurate,and fun as hell to shoot,especially with a suppressor.
My next rimfire pistol will be the S&W Victory.



 
Fooling around on gunbroker I just found that a company by the name of Nitescout was producing .22 Lugers similar to the Stoeger, they look to be out of business now though.
 
"If you mean the Neos, it might be a good pistol to overlook, based on the experiences reported by some folks. Most seem to work OK most of the time,, but they are notorious for having feeding and functioning problems. I have seen several reports that "they are OK now" but then there always seems to be an "except for". If you have one that works OK, fine, but I cannot really recommend them over guns with a better reputation."

I did mean Neos. Thank you for pointing out my typo.:o. It is not my favorite but I have never had a problem with mine. I do enjoy my MK II much better. I just threw it out there to give the OP an option.
 
I'm a BIG fan of the Browning Buckmarks. I like them more than I like the Rugers.

I've had my Buckmark for a number of years now. I don't get it out to the range as much as I should, but it's always a hoot to shoot.
 
There are tons of nice 22 autos out there, good ones bad ones, inexpensive and expensive.

But if you go to mouse gun matches, USPSA or action type matches fired with 22s, or even 22 bowling pin matches, you'll find the Ruger MK series dominate.

Hard to beat the price and reliability and they are accurate. There must be a reason they are the most popular gun out there.
 
I have a $149 Phoenix HP-22 that I shot about 3,500 rounds through before the slide cracked. I went down to a LGS and paid just under $300 for a Ruger 22/45 Target. When I got home, I called Phoenix and they told me to just drop the slide in the mail and they would send me a new one. I got the slide back in the mail in exactly one week and it is back as good as new. It cracked because I had been shooting HV ammo rather than the suggested SV. They didn't even ask.

The 22/45 is an excellent gun I would recommend but the HP-22 is also reliable and accurate but without last shot hold-open.
 
There are so danged many fine .22 pistols out there,,,

There are so danged many fine .22 pistols out there,,,
If you stay with a quality name brand you should be fine.

One person loves the NEOS,,,
The next person absolutely hates them,,,
I own three that have never given me a problem.

Two are my dueling tree pair,,,
The third lives in a NEOS Carbine configuration,,,
I have never encountered the problems others say they have had.

I also own:
Ruger Mk-III - Flawless performance
Ruger Mk-III 22/45 - Flawless performance
Browning Buckmark - Flawless performance
Smith & Wesson 22-1 - Flawless performance

I also own:
CZ-75B Kadet ( not the kit) - Flawless performance
Beretta 87 Cheetah - Flawless performance
Bersa Thunder 22 - Flawless performance
Taurus 22-PLY - Flawless performance
Ruger SR-22 - Flawless performance

Now I'll define flawless performance,,,
As long as I use plated ammo of standard or high velocity,,,
The guns cycle, fire, and eject the empty cases every danged time.

I am however extremely diligent about cleaning & lubing my .22 pistols,,,
I may not tear them down completely after every range session,,,
But they at least get sprayed and brushed out every time.

Perhaps I'm the luckiest .22 owner in the world,,,
But I stick with good name brands and experience no problems.

My advice is go handle good name brand guns,,,
Buy the one that makes you smile when you handle it.

Aarond

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I owned a Ruger Mk. II long enough for two range trips, and then sold it; the strip/reassembly process is way too frustrating.
An hour and four youtube videos wasn't enough to get it back together without use of a hammer.
I wouldn't have another one as a gift.
 
Well, I lost two auctions on Stoeger's because I wan't sure at the time; both went for under $250. I'm kicking myself right now!!! :P

I bid on a few MK-I and MK-II's but they wanted too much. So I found this little Browning Buck Mark in pink Camo...minimum bid $100. Grrr....pink Camo...hmmm...grrrr...ok. Good thing they had a higher reserve on it. LOL

Found something else to empty my wallet in the mean time.... Me and GB have a love/hate relationship. :D
 
I owned a Ruger Mk. II long enough for two range trips, and then sold it; the strip/reassembly process is way too frustrating.
An hour and four youtube videos wasn't enough to get it back together without use of a hammer.

This may sound snarky, but really isn't meant to be...

If you need a hammer to reassemble a Ruger Mark pistol, you have done two things wrong. The second thing was whatever you did wrong that you used a hammer to "fix".

The first thing you did wrong was, you took it apart!!! :eek:

There are guns in this world, lots of them, CIVILIAN guns, sporting guns, guns never designed for military or police use that simply should not be disassembled until/unless they fail.

I put the Ruger .22 autos in that group. I've had a Ruger Mk I target since the early 80s (actually, its my wife's gun, but she almost never uses it). That gun has been disassembled exactly twice during that entire period. Once, by a much younger and dumber self, in the early 80s.

The second time happened about a decade ago, when my idiot son in law asked to borrow it for a bit. Wife said ok, and specifically told him, "DON'T TAKE IT APART!"

I told him, don't take it apart. After a couple of months, I asked my daughter about it, and when would it be coming back home. She, made excuses, and wouldn't give a firm date. Not at all like her usual self.

By the time 6 months had gone by, and each time I asked about the gun, an excuse was given, my much shamed daughter returned all the pieces of the pistol in a grocery bag, with very sincere apologies.

Yes, he took it apart, and couldn't get it back together. I rather expect it, but my wife was pi...unhappy. She remembered when I did it, and I had a difficult time getting it back together, something that made an impression on her, because I was a small arms repairman in the army, and am fairly skilled with firearms mechanisms.

Which was why she specifically told him not to take it apart.

My daughter has since divorced....:)

I have my Grandfather's Ithaca shotgun. It's 107 years old, and has never been disassembled more than the intended amount, removing the forend and barrels. It still functions flawlessly.

Guns designed for military use are made to withstand the military mania for disassembly, cleaning, and reassembly. Many sporting guns are not. Some are, but many are not. Those guns can be kept clean and running, in perfect condition without taking them apart under normal circumstances.

If you and your firearm take a dunking in the creek, that's different, but other than something like that, there's simply no need to take them apart, if they aren't designed for that.

Now, if it IS something designed to stand it, like an M1, AR, AK, SKS, 1911, etc, then buddy, detail strip it and play to your heart's content. I do. Just remember that some things are better left alone, absent vital need.
 
On the 5 MkII's I have, all I do is remove the main spring and pull the bolt out. All you need to do is position the strut in the right place when going back together. No real need to wrestle the receiver off of the frame and I can clean the barrel from the breech. I will say though, this is done very, very infrequently.;)
 
I agree with 44 AMP.

When my Mark II gets good and dirty I clean it out with brake cleaner and oil it back up. Every blue moon will run a patch and brush down the barrel.

Haven't had any issues.
 
44 AMP, sorry but must disagree, if man designed it to go together once then i should be able to take it apart and put it back together. This started with my 1890 Wwinchester pump when i was a pup, later my friends would bring their "take aparts" to me for reassembly ( dont ever try a Remington Nylon 66, that one took me a month). Then i was gifted the job of a military armorer and received the daily supply of basic training weapons.. BAR, Thompson, 1911, 1919 Browning etc ( yes I am old but those were a real part of our armament.) I had the police armory and firearms traiining as part of my LE duties and my own personal collection to play with then and now...i still normally have a AR or pistol on the bench in a bunch of pieces.
I will not say they are all easy..some are just short of impossible but i have managed to perceiver, and if i really get stuck i have a friend who knows firearms a lot better than I.
Another friend has blued firearms for fifty years...he can take most anything apart in his sleep and put it back together new and shiny looking after he wakes.
The Ruger .22 seems to be one of those that will make hardy men blubber in failure.:D
 
My method of acquiring a good quality shooting iron at a good price is the same as for a used car -- find one that "looks used".

You simply can't get more "old school cool" than one of the Woodsmans or High Standard ---matics models, but if you're on a budget, simply settle for one with cosmetic warts.


This gal has been my favorite for a long time now, and I got it for the grand total of a hunnert bucks. Maybe not pretty enough for the prom, but I can shoot the flame off a candle with it. jd
 
44 AMP, sorry but must disagree, if man designed it to go together once then i should be able to take it apart and put it back together

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do that something.

I too was a gun tinkering kid, took apart everything that was mine, and some stuff that wasn't. I don't know about a Nylon 66, but I do know that getting the recoil spring back in a Winchester 190 is no small task, and getting the rotary magazine of a Savage 99 back together so it works is one of the labors of Heracles, that I think, he failed to perform...:D

Was a Small Arms Repairman in the Army (a couple of levels above unit armorer), so I'm with you there, as well.

Although it took me some decades, I finally did realize the basic truth to the old saying, if it ain't broke, don't FIX it!

There is nothing you can't take apart, but there is a lot that, in my opinion, you shouldn't take apart unless you need to. And routine cleaning is not one of those needs, generally.

A lot of people take guns apart, without the proper tools, or the proper experience. Most figure "how tough could it be??" Those people often damage their guns during disassembly or reassembly.

The RUger Mark series is one of the less forgiving pistols I know of, in this regard. If you do everything right, its a piece of cake. Do even one thing incorrectly and it is one of the most aggravating and frustrating guns to get back together that I know of.

Again, my point is that with many guns, while you CAN, if you don't have to, you shouldn't.
 
Reliable, durable, accurate, and easy to carry would be my favorite .22LR pistol: my Beretta Model 70S.

In a slightly more formal target setting context then it would be my limited edition Ruger Mk.II Target Model Model 512.



 
I concur in 44 AMP's posts. My SS Ruger MK II Bull Barrel has been awesome - but I mistakenly disassembled it one time. Thorough cleaning doesn't require disassembly, but reassembly requires some expertise/experience.
 
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