Let's chew on the ATV's a bit.

I am with crowbeaner.I have lived and hunted in Colorado over 40 years.I am 56.Dropping a motorcycle tore my lateral,medial,and ACL and plateu fractured my tibia.I have also had cartilage removed from that knee.My right ankle is an arthitic gob from laving my lateral malleolis ripped off.I dont have the anchor point for my outside ankle ligaments.I can't run.Last fall I backpacked a week's worth of food and gear to 9000 feet in the flattop wilderness.My 60 year old brother with bad knees from Florida did the same.It takes some guts.
And we got nailed by an all night blizzard with lightning on top of us.

Yeah,it POSSIBLE for someone to use an ATV responsibly,and SOME people do.
But outside a wilderness area in the national forest,the idea of quietly going in on Thursday,whispering,not making campfires,etc,will ALWAYS,ALWAYS end up with opening morning,a hunting group with ATV's driving around,I'm gonna head em off at the pass,or getting bored and playing motorsports,etc. There is back and forth traffic all day long.Its not just a few bad apples.Its typical.I'd say it is the rare gentleman who uses them responsibly.
Reading old African hunting books,the hunting car had to be at least 1000 yds from the game.
Some similar ethic needs to be mandated.Maybe a one hour timer,that must count down.It resets every time the ATV is started,and counts when the ATV is shut off.In that one hour wait,it is a felony to shoot,and the ATV will be confiscated.That would allow the responsible use ATV owners talk about,and clean up the clowns.
For the truly disabled,sure,anything to help them enjoy the woods.Just having a pot belly isn't enough.
For those who say"I own the national forest and I should go anywhere I want" How about if anti-hunters want to have a series of rock concerts throughout the national forest during hunting season? It is their forest,too.Would you support that?What about the rights of someone old and fat and busted up that quietly gets up and walks a half mile to a stand in the dark,and shivers,waiting for the sunrise,only to be greated by the buzz of ATV's at 7:45 AM blasting by his stand?
It is a lo like being a quiet fisherman,and having the water skiers use you as a pylon to slalom around,
Tell me,how would you feel if you were on private land,out before dawn in the sage hunting antelope with a bad sinus infection.A group of antelope was near,and you had watched them a while.Too far.But,there was some cover,so you make a 200 yd low crawl,bush to bush,and yes,find cactus.Just about there when the ATV's come racing up to the fence,and hang rifles over the fenceposts ,intending to shoot into the private land.Yes,I'll confess,I put my crosshairs on the engine blocks of the ATV's.The only reason I didn't scrap them is I knew I would be in great legal trouble,but it would have been justice.
Like I said,if you are a vet who was blasted by an IED,use whatever will get you there!.Any legit disability,fine.
Every body else,its hunting,not search and destroy.Use your feet!!
Same goes the the %&**!!!'s who think antelope hunting is racing around in a pickup and jumping and blasting.
 
HiBC,

You said it better than I did.

Here's something that could be a novel idea.
Let the ATV guys have the forest all year---except for hunting season---like, share the forest--you get your time and I get mine.
What would ya' all think of that??

Dipper
 
Some pretty serious questions here. In no particular order:

I guess nobody here is really interested in throwing out their ATV and getting a tractor that can do anything an ATV can do but do it better? Hogghead, I see you've found out about Kawasaki Mules but my tractor can carry your Mule plus a deer or two and do it in 3 feet of water or up a 60% grade.

Dipper, I'd wonder if you'd be up to the challenge of walking a couple of miles into the woods with a small handful of tiny pebbles in your left boot? Nothing to disable you or anything, just something to make you focus your attention to take your mind off your real troubles. :p

Dave, by definition I don't think that over half can be below average. Could it be that the ones who are that way are just so damned stupid they seem like a whole lot more? Kind of like the way one hyperactive kid in the house seems like five or six?

If ATVs are banned will it open the door for more horse rentals?

Do you ever think there will be a market for (quiet) electric ATVs? About 40 years ago I saw a Popular Mechanics article about how to build an electric mini bike that would go 30 mph and had about a 50 mile range. Imagine how much range you could get if you had a place to stack 4 or 6 batteries?
 
Dipper, I'd wonder if you'd be up to the challenge of walking a couple of miles into the woods with a small handful of tiny pebbles in your left boot? Nothing to disable you or anything, just something to make you focus your attention to take your mind off your real troubles.
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No thanks Meek and Mild,
My knee is enough for that--no problem though, I have Advil and BenGay and I'm a big boy not looking for excuses to ride when others walk.;)
Some people I know WISH Advil and BenGay took their problem away.

Dipper
 
Anti

The reason why the anti-hunters are going to win in the end run is simple. We as hunters can not agree on anything, so we are not united against them. There is so much national land that hunting is not allowed on. I was not talking about 4-wheeers-I was saying there is no hunting there at all. And yes if they want to have a rock concert then let them. It is their land also.

I have been listening to the bow hunters argue wth the gun hunters, who argue with the ML hunters, who argue with the crossbow hunters---for years. And the arguments make me sick.

This old "my way or the highway" mentality stinks. Why is your way of hunting right and mine wrong?? Who is any one to say if a person can not walk in they should not be allowed?? Or even if they can walk in but do not want to?? Or choose to ride a 4-wheeler because they get as much enjoyment out of the 4-wheeler as you do out of hunting. If you are really pis*** off then put your money where your mouth is and buy your own property. I did, and nobody drives their 4-wheeler on MY PROPERTY unless I say it is OK.

I understand the opinions of hunters who hate to be busted by 4-wheelers. It has happened to me also. But it is a fact of life. I have a friend who climbs down into a canyon every year to elk hunt. He works very hard at hunting, and he goes into an area where 4-wheelers can not go.

A tractor is a good idea. No doubt. However I am unable to get on and off a tractor. However we are going to have a 50HP tractor modified this winter so I can help in the hayfields, and feed next year. However I expect to pay well over twice as much for the tractor.

And for closing. I sure hope some of you guys do not get old, or ever suffer from an injury or handicap. Because surely you would stop hunting. And by the way the next time somebody messes up on a 4-wheeler and is acting like an idiot. Just drag them off of it and whip their ***. That will work. Tom.
 
Thanks for the link Dave. Thats like a golf cart with bigger tires and looks like it is somewhere between an ATV and a Mule for carry power. To me it seems like the complaint 2/3 of people have is ATV noise so something like that would cut that out. The other complaints wouldn't be remedied, that ATVs damage the soil and they increase unwanted traffic.

Hogghead, that is the problem with a tractor, it is hard to get up onto and is more expensive than an ATV. On the other hand if you need a tractor anyway for cutting hay and have it rigged to where you can get on it, it would make a really dandy hunting buggy, especially if you can rig up the pole to lift up your deer. What I use is one of those deer hanger hooks that looks like a big coathanger. I set the pole so that it will dip down to within a foot from the ground and it makes lifting the deer really easy.

dipper, looking back on my question to you it was mean spirited, poorly worded and I apologize. But I wonder though at what point you would consider it to be too painful to walk and would you switch over to the other side if it was?
 
dipper, looking back on my question to you it was mean spirited, poorly worded and I apologize. But I wonder though at what point you would consider it to be too painful to walk and would you switch over to the other side if it was?
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No Problem, I just ain't that sensitive!!:)

I have a time or two reached the point when it was to painful and I have pressed on.
I suffer from a couple of chronic illnesses and have worked 12 hour days 7 days a week because I had to.
I chewed a lot of Advil and sucked it up---I had to--had bills.
Besides a paycheck,what I got was a foot and knee that are full of deposits in the joints of the toes and knee joint and cap--plus, it is the same knee that had been operated on twice for ligament and previous joint damage.
So, I know what discomfort is.
And you ask a fair question---It would be to painful when I can't put one foot in front of the other ---well, more or less.
And yes, if I couldn't walk to hunt, I would switch over to the other side---I would go through the proper channels and get my permit and operate my ATV only on the roads and not like I said, "willy nilly" through the woods.
I would not drive anywhere where I might drive up on a posted hunter and I never saw one posted on the roads.:)
I said that ATVs have their place---but, as has been echoed here by others, most times, they are piloted by jerks who have no consideration for others and really my experience has been, that most of the time they are overweight lazy people that WOULDN'T WALK even though they can.
Someone said something like " it is hunting, not search and destroy--use your feet" ---I agree.

Dipper
 
So are you saying there should be no place an old guy should be able to walk to on his two legs where he will not have 8 ATV's racing back and forth all day? A lot of these folks aren't old or physically challenged.The might be 16 or 26.They haven't been on national forest fire roads before,and they want to race around.Hunting season is the wrong time.

Have you ever heard of minimum impact? The problem with everybody doing their own thing is the most loud obnoxious activity ruins it for everyone else.

You can't hunt in the middle of the Baja 1000 race,and its tough to flyfish if dragboats think the river is fun.You ever try to fish when a group of about 12 jetskis decides to do laps next to shore all day?

In Colorado,if the PITA types actively disrupt a hunt,its a felony.A fool on an ATV can do just as much to disrupt a hunt as a PITA member.It has the same effect on the guy whose hunt is ruined.

I'm already old and its already difficult and hunting is not driving around on a gas powered anything.That is not hunting.Lets use helicopter gunships,its just more of the same.If a little is good,a lot is better.
 
definiton

I truly do respect your definition of hunting. I really do. But that does not make it the only definition of hunting?? Because it is your definition?? That is all I am saying??

And yes there should be some Wilderness areas. And yes there should be some places where modern vehicles are not allowed. But I live in WV and a 4-wheeler is not allowed on any(yes-zero) of the federal land or state land. And hunting is not even allowed on any of the Federal and state parks(yes-zero). And I live in WV which is open to about anything. I can not even imagine what it is like in other states.

And as far as places in CO without 4-wheelers, there are tons of places. I know that for a fact. I have been hunting in those places!! I am assuming you have had some really bad experiences. I am sorry to hear that, but as I said earlier, it happens. Tom.
 
And yes there should be some Wilderness areas. And yes there should be some places where modern vehicles are not allowed. But I live in WV and a 4-wheeler is not allowed on any(yes-zero) of the federal land or state land. And hunting is not even allowed on any of the Federal and state parks(yes-zero). And I live in WV which is open to about anything. I can not even imagine what it is like in other states.
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I grew up in PA and it was more or less the same --just a few exceptions.

dipper
 
Wildbill,I don't have an issue with you using one to get to your camp,or your stand,or haul meat out.And that is what you describe.I have no problem taking your word for it.I have caught a ride on the back of one,and I am quite happy to have one pack my meat.

In all of those cases,it is not being "Hunted" off of.

I am talking about the people who include riding the ATV as part of the hunt,or who just get bored and drive around.I have heard some places in Montana have hours of operation.

And,No,I am not the center of the universe to decide the issue of what is hunting,but if you go to the African tradition of the hunting car 1000 yds away,or the Alaska 24 hour mandatory wait after being in an aircraft before you can hunt,and I imagine Boone and Crockett has some "fair chase" rules..I didn't create the idea,it comes from something greater.From the traditions of what hunting is and right and wrong.If one man can jump off an ATV and shoot,why not chase them down with snowmobiles and chop them down with AK-47's.Where do you draw the line?
If a man is using an ATV for a wheelchair,GOD BLESS HIM!!I'm on his side.
But anybody who can walk a hundred yards needs to get off of a vehicle and walk a bit,50 yards,and set up a lawn chair,not jump from a vehicle and shoot .I think if a game warden can feel a warm motor on an ATV checking a kill it should be a violation.
 
I have two 4 wheelers. I hunt private property only. I leave the 4 wheeler in the truck(unless the creek is to high) If we are lucky enough to get a deer or two, we then get the ATV out to haul the meat.

As far as hunting from the ATV. With out a disability it wont be done here. For the unfortunate that have the disabilities I say go for it.

For those who have to hunt public lands, sorry about that. And wear your orange. Been there done that, and not going back.
 
ATVs don't cause rude behavior, any more than guns cause crime. It is like everything we do when we're not totally alone: Courtesy, politeness, and consideration for others are the "oughta do" parts of life.
 
ATVs don't cause rude behavior, any more than guns cause crime. It is like everything we do when we're not totally alone: Courtesy, politeness, and consideration for others are the "oughta do" parts of life.
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Well said, Art.

I ride a quad and do so courteously and with respect for the environment. Seems there's a little hypocrisy here where people who defend their right to hunt, would deny my right to ride.

I've met my share of idiots on ATVs and an equal number of idiots on foot or in the back of a pickup truck with a rifle in their hands.
 
I don't have an issue with them.........

I don;t have one for the simple reason that hunting is some of the only voluntary exercise I ever get :D
 
I ride a quad and do so courteously and with respect for the environment. Seems there's a little hypocrisy here where people who defend their right to hunt, would deny my right to ride.
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No hypocrisy at all.

Seems like some hypocrisy here:
That I can't WALK into the woods to hunt and mind my own business and not be disturb by someone who is to lazy, to fat, to inconsiderate to leave me alone.

It has NOTHING to do with "RIGHTS" --that's were you have it wrong.
Driving a car is not a "RIGHT" it is a privilege---same thing with ATV---it ain't no right to drive one wherever you want.

ATVs have their place---just not driving around looking for game and disturbing let's say "traditional hunters".


Dipper
 
It has NOTHING to do with "RIGHTS" --that's were you have it wrong
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How's my right to use public lands subordinate to yours?

I didn't accuse you personally of hypocrisy; I don't understand the attack on me.

someone who is to lazy, to fat
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This is only half true; hence the :p

to inconsiderate to leave me alone
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I said:
I ride a quad and do so courteously
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Lighten up dipper; I don't think it's me you have a problem with.
 
dipper - When I was 6 I had to walk 10 miles to school and back, uphill both ways in 18" of July snow with no shoes. And they didn't have advil. Then I had to go to work till sun up and do it all over again. They let me sleep on Xmas, Easter and Thanksgiving.

LK
 
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