Lethality of Birdshot

"if the distance is .... yards you shouldn't shoot cause they are not a threat, and you will go to jail".
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Assuming your opponent is not using birdshot in HIS shotgun, he's clearly a threat from ".... yards". ;)
 
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Fun practice..... shot Clay birdies , hand thrower , machine . See how fast you can knock them out of the air.
 
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Dang this arguement gets old!

Can birdshot work (stop the aggression) at extremely close "in the same room" range? Yes, probably.

Is a heavy turkey/duck load better (for defence) than a light upland load? Yes, definitely.

Is buckshot always a much more reliable stopper than either of the above? Of course it is.

Anything else defies common sense.
 
"TxGun": I think you should save that response and copy/paste it when the discussion comes up each time....to the point, clear, consice, and accurate - IMO
 
We have gone off topic and back to the very common debate of Birdshot vs. Buckshot. Test all you want, but the irrefutable truth is BUCKSHOT IS KILLING POWER. As quoted, "Birdshot is for little birdies, and Buck shot is for large game"

Now, go back to the first page and please take a gander at the first post.
 
Just read a story of a home invasion here in Phoenix, where the invader was shot in the stomach with bird shot. It didn't say what size, but it killed him. Even bird shot at across the room distance is one big hunk of lead. It wouldn't be my choice, but better than nothing!
 
The OP [AlKillya] is aware that birdshot is for birdies; he was looking for a shotshell with similar recoil characteristics as reduced recoil buckshot but less expensive to practice with...RIF

Reduced recoil buckshot is like having your cake and eating it, too :cool:
 
Actually, it ISN'T one big chunk of lead - it is a lot of small pellets
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What he means is that at home defense ranges, no shotshell is going to show very much pattern, maybe a few inches on longer shots. So in essence no matter whether you're talking 000, #6, or slugs, you're talking about a large amount of lead entering the body almost as a single mass. Only after it hits does it begin to spread.
 
A couple of months ago (November), I paid $10.99 per box of 25 for S&B "00" 9 pellet buckshot at Cabela's. It was on sale.

I also paid $14.99 per box of 25 for Estate "00" 9 shot buckshot at Cabela's. I had a coupon that I applied that saved me 20% off of that price.

Needless to say, I bought a few cases worth of buckshot. As far as I can tell, these prices are better than what my local Walmart is getting for buckshot.

That being said, I'll practice with birdshot but only put buckshot in the FNH or Benelli when it's for HD.
 
Birdshot. REMEMBER, gelatin does NOT have bones!
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Or skin. Skin is remarkably tough. Ask any medical professional who's started an IV, made an incision, or sutured. Or ask any hunter. Getting through the skin is considerably harder than cutting the flesh below it.

The gelatin also isn't wearing a shirt, jeans, and a thick jacket. That will also drastically decrease the penetration of little birdshot pellets. Lick leather jackets and thick cotton duck jackets are pretty common where I live.

Yes, birdshot could work. I used to work as a paramedic and I've seen quite a few times it was effective. I've also seen quite a few times, including to face shots, when it was ineffective.

I won't gamble with the family's life. I can't even think of a logical reason to consider it.
 
This thread could have been entitled "Lethality of .22 lr" or "Lethality of .25 ACP" Anything beats nothing but there are much better choices. Use what suits you. Out where I live "in the sticks" - there is no 911 so within reason I'll use something more "effective."
 
I think this thread spent maybe 5 posts actually on topic.

If a mod can lock it or close it, I wouldn't mind one bit.
 
well, I see a ton more than a few posts regarding the title of the thread.

"Lethality of Birdshot" is going to bring out plenty of replies stating the less than reliable reputation of fine shot in comparison to buckshot.

But I am surprised the thread lived this long considering the argument that it always creates when anyone asks this question... (at least 10 times per year...)
Brent
 
An old LE friend used to keep his duty gun loaded like this. Bird shot, BB's, buck shot, slug. That is pretty much how I keep my HD shot gun loaded.
 
mods please lock this off-topic thread already

Chaz88 said:
An old LE friend used to keep his duty gun loaded like this. Birdshot, BB's, buckshot, slug. That is pretty much how I keep my HD shotgun loaded.
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That's a very bad idea for a variety of reasons...
 
Sorry I did not think it was that far off topic, considering the other posts. He explained the loading as an escalating level of response to the advance of a BG. It made sense at the time and haven't thought about it much since. Why is it a bad idea? I appreciate your input.
 
Chaz88,

I'll paraphrase Louis Awerbuck on the subject: 'candy cane' loading is a bad idea because 1) under serious pressure, very few shooters can keep up with how many rounds they've fired, and 2) every time you press the trigger of a shotgun, you need to know what's coming out of the muzzle and what that load is likely to do.

Very few gunfights go according to a strict plan, ANYONE's plan. What if the first thing the BG does is duck behind cover substantial enough to stop birdshot, BBs, and buckshot, and you need to have a slug to get through it? How's that 'progressive' magazine load idea working now, with the slug you need buried as deep in the magazine as it can go?

Louis says he's not smart enough to keep up with more than one kind of ammo, and just shoots slugs in a defensive shotgun. I'm not smarter than Louis, but I'm willing to put up with a little more hassle, and keep 00 buckshot in the magazines of defensive shotguns here, and slugs in the Sidesaddle. There's always room left in the magazines for one more round, which means a slug can be loaded first if it's needed first. Worst case, we're no more than one round away from getting a slug in the chamber.

Take ANY good defensive shotgun class, and you will learn the importance of loading the gun, first, last and always. Learn to load the gun on the fly- that's the main difference in gunfighting with a shotgun, and shooting little birdies that don't shoot back.

fwiw,

lpl
 
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